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AdaraSky wrote:dark_zorse wrote:AdaraSky wrote:
Just off the subject a little, what do ya’ll think about Prop 4 (Minor Abortion) in Cali? I myself don’t agree with it but it passed. So now minors don’t have to notify their parents about them getting an abortion. So instead of parents being given the chance to talk to there kids about the situation and maybe how to avoid or protect them if the situation was to happen again, the kid can just go get an abortion and hey, if it happens again they’ll just get another! Just my 2 cents.
Like so many of the propositions, I sense that it is more agenda driven than because people actually want this. This is the third time this bill has shown up on the ballot. And it’s third defeat.
What I think this ballot is intended to be is a ‘baby step’ in the direction of outlawing abortion altogether – specially after looking at the supporters of that ballot. I think California voters saw this, and shot it down – again.
I can’t really comment on the responsibility issue. Accidents happen, true enough, however I would like to know where in hell the parents of these minors are. Good parenting is the prevention of most juvenile problems. (And yes, I am fully aware that some parents might be in prison, single, and just trying to make ends meet. But those are few and far between to actual bad parents producing bad kids.)
Dark_Zorse – now knowing that no one reads this, is off to do gymnastics naked on horseback!
I too wonder where are the parents but then again there are good parents that do a good job and kids are still gonna do what they want. We were all that age once. I just feel that if there was a case like this that the teen/kid would want to open up and be honest with their parents and they would probably be surprised with how undernding moms and dads can be. Accidents happen, we just have to work through them and be families. This prop basically makes things harder for parents.See, I disagree there. If the parent has done their job from day one, then the child will be open and responsive to their parent, or at least understand the dynamics of things well enough to prevent accidents. I know this is much, MUCH easier said then done, but being a good parent really is hard work! This does not preclude a bit of rebellion in some way or another. However, it is up to the parent to know when to push issues and spell out from early on what is and is not acceptible behavior, and the consequences that go with said behavior. This requires being a parent, not a friend – a distinction I believe is often lost, these days.
Dark-Zorse – playing dueling banjos with bagpipes!
AdaraSky wrote:Just off the subject a little, what do ya’ll think about Prop 4 (Minor Abortion) in Cali? I myself don’t agree with it but it passed. So now minors don’t have to notify their parents about them getting an abortion. So instead of parents being given the chance to talk to there kids about the situation and maybe how to avoid or protect them if the situation was to happen again, the kid can just go get an abortion and hey, if it happens again they’ll just get another! Just my 2 cents.
Like so many of the propositions, I sense that it is more agenda driven than because people actually want this. This is the third time this bill has shown up on the ballot. And it’s third defeat.
What I think this ballot is intended to be is a ‘baby step’ in the direction of outlawing abortion altogether – specially after looking at the supporters of that ballot. I think California voters saw this, and shot it down – again.
I can’t really comment on the responsibility issue. Accidents happen, true enough, however I would like to know where in hell the parents of these minors are. Good parenting is the prevention of most juvenile problems. (And yes, I am fully aware that some parents might be in prison, single, and just trying to make ends meet. But those are few and far between to actual bad parents producing bad kids.)
Dark_Zorse – now knowing that no one reads this, is off to do gymnastics naked on horseback!
Necron99 wrote:Dragon87 wrote:Necron99 wrote:i was flipping through the channels a few minutes ago and landed on CNN, you wouldnt believe how many people called the show in support of dumping our Democratic way of life and changing it to a Socialist Government . They were saying that the middle class needs to get stronger and how medicine and the schools need to be governmentally regulated ( shades of Carl Marx ) , dont these fools know there is no middle class in a Socialist Government just go ask a Russian how well The Soviet Union preserved the middle class . There are some scary people in this country
Well I personally like Canada’s government regulated medicine. Hello not paying the $400 that each 5 pack of my insulin is worth, EVERY MONTH, plus another $400 every couple of months, plus testing stuff, etc. If it weren’t for government regulated health care in Canada, I wouldn’t be getting a university education. I wouldn’t be able to afford it. The waits on the other hand, I could live without. 🙄
thats why other people from around the world come here for health care , some folks cant wait for it. I personally cant wait months to see a doctor if i did i would die and im not willing to die just for the cost of medicine and medication to lower or so some career homeless can get to see a doctor about some booze related sickness that he gave himself . Call me heartless thats ok but there are people in this world who dont give themselves ailments that shouldnt have to sit around and wait, for people with chronic illnesses there are programs in the US that help alot you just have to get off their lazy arses and apply; with your doc behind you you will get approved its those who try to take advantage of the system who get denyed and rightfully so.. I too spend well over 475 a month on meds , maybe i cant afford a fancy education but i made a decent living doing what i did before i got sick and so can any one in America . I started at minimum wadge and learned a skill by the end of 7 years i was pulling in over 1,000 a week after taxes so i was happy .It may be tough paying that 475 a month but id rather pay that than live in a Socialist Country , like i said just ask a Russian who lived through The Soviet Union they will tell you how strong the middle class was , i have personally had conversations with a Russian guy who was a rehab nurse …. well im not standing in line for 6 hours to get some bread and milk with my ration stamps .
I do not think you need to worry about this country going socialist. There’s still too many people out there with libertarian ideals (Like me! Smaller government and more induvidual rights for the win!) that would ensure that it dosn’t happen.
However, I like to think about politics as being a clock. You start out at noon, but if you go too far either to the right or left… if you wind up at six ‘o clock, you are a fascist.
On the other, other hand… medical care is something that needs to be addressed here. I do think that prices are way, WAY out of line. A union approach to bring prices down is wrong – unions only become bloated with their own greed and power (Correctional Guard Union, anyone?). Self-regulation hasn’t worked, and has only resulted in prices skyrocketing. Something needs to be done, but I do not think it’s something that is going to be immediately obvious, or implementable.
WindstoneCollector wrote:Honestly, I am glad to see that it is NOT a republican in there again. It wasn’t like we all had some of the best choices to make when it came to getting them into office. 🙄
I agree with points from both sides. But I really am glad that Obama is a Democrat. Clinton wasn’t the best, but I wasn’t broke daily when he was in office, and there seemed to be jobs aplenty then too. And, while I believe Iraq needed a spanking, I am beginning to wonder who is the one getting spanked… 😯 I mean how many millions of dollars do we give to other countries every year? Maybe, the US should just keep it’s nose out of things doing with other countries. We have enough starving people here, people without food, jobs, homes. Keep the money in the country! 😛
To quote Dennis Miller…”That is just my opinion, I could be wrong.” 😆Ironically enough, it was the very symbol of classic republicanisim that warned against us getting embroiled in foreign affairs. None other than George Washington himself – it was his parting shot as he left office, if I remember correctly. Personally, I think we shouldn’t be spending money out of this country. They don’t want us there? Fine. We pull our troops out. However, with our troops, we pull our money, our materials, our food, and our humanitarian aid. We have lots of other problems here that money could solve. In short, AMF, YOYO.
What irritates me about Clinton is that this whole Iraq thing started under his presidency. He had the opportunity (and responsibility) to clean it up before Bush junior got in there and made a royal mess of it, but he didn’t. A political move that has proven as it has played out to guarantee Obama’s win. That and that little part where he, you know, made sure banks had to loan to high-risk loans, and caused a worldwide depression…
Right now, I do not have much hope Obama is going to be much better than Bush, except in the eyes of diehard followers. If this proves to be otherwise, I shall GLADLY eat my words (I WANT a good president, darnit!). However until then… time to assume the position.
Dragon87 wrote:What’s gerrymandering?
(And as side note on the teacher thing, it’s because we are regulated provincially, not federally – so each system is different. Almost like going to another country with a BEd. Doesn’t fly.)
It is in a nutshell a process by which politicians can and do draw district lines to ensure they get the voters they want, thereby ensuring they stay in office. Before anyone points fingers, it is a common practice irregardless of political party. For a more complex answer, see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
I do not understand your comment about the teacher. My comment certainly wasn’t about regulation of anything, just a commentary on one person’s actions. Personally, I judge teachers (and actions) individually. (If I didn’t, my Honor’s thesis professor might get revenge on me. *gulp!* One of the few things in the world I fear!)
AdaraSky wrote:Going back to the whole president topic, My father seems to believe that they’re just faces, a front for the people who are really running things. (Never mind the man behind the curtain!) 😆
Oh, rest quite un-assured and uneasily that this is totally and completely true.
George Orwell’s “1984” comes to mind…
As interesting side notes…
Prop 8 passed. Gavim Newsom and that second grade teacher did indeed shoot that cause royally in the foot (Shoot it in the foot? Yeesh. In this case they blew it clean off!).
Prop 11 looks like it’s passed. No more gerrymandering in California, Yay!
Everything else is too boring to mention. Mostly people wanting money to spend when the state HAS no money.
Jennifer wrote:What’s done is done. Happy or displeased- that is your choice and you are entitled to it. But it’s done now, so we all need to take a step forward together, because quite frankly, the United We Stand bit is there for a reason.
What can we do? Be supportive of one another. No one man (or woman) runs this country. Not that I think our government is in good shape these days, but bickering is a quick way to let off steam and get nothing at all done. So here’s what we do- support each other. Watch what happens next. Watch the legislation and bills put forward, and if you disagree with them, be heard! Write to your congress and senate persons! This is where we make an even bigger difference than when we vote for President. Most folks get fired up about the election, then ignore the things that truly change our country, which is the legislation that goes into place afterward. If you want to make a difference, stay on top of that and be heard.
Booing and hissing is poor form. Why bother? You’re displeased and that’s fine, but yelling ‘you suck!’ at either party only generates a lot of negativity which isn’t gonna help too much.
Considering how elections can and have gone in other countries (*coughAfricacough*), booing and hissing on an internet board is probably the least of poor form we could worry about. And like you said, it’s letting off steam. Constructively is arguable… some form of approval or disapproval is not totally unwarranted – it’s politics, after all. Ultimately, this won’t change my schedule, friends, or activities today. However… I may have a different opinion come tax-time. We’ll see.
I have yet to meet a politician on any party that was worth trusting, much less our presidential candidates.
(This isn’t condoning bad behavior by the way. This board has been very, very tame compared to some of the other political discussions I have seen elseware concerning the presidential race.)
Admittedly true, we did not have a deficit with Clinton was in office.
However.
Who was it that signed that bill making it illegal for banks to not put money into high-risk loans…? You know. Something that we are paying for now because everyone was spending money they really didn’t have…? *scratches her head*
Oh… right. That was Clinton.
Look a bit farther that just the immediate when making judgments like that. It is rarely ever the doing of one person.
Dark_Zorse, testing if anyone reads this thing, so I am off to mud-wrestle with nile crocodiles!
At least we must only put up with him for four years. Boo, hiss. Drama.
On a slightly upbeat note, his win means that the next election will be all but dropped into Palin’s lap
Still waiting for california’s results on the props and such. Lucky east-coasters.
Kujacker wrote:Dragon Master wrote:Well I guess I’m the first one to mention names.
GO OBAMA!!!!
I can’t believe that in CA of all places we have this STUPID Prop 8 where the Church goers etc are trying to ban Gay Marriage. I have seen so many Yes on 8 signs since I live in the booneys that it makes me want to PUKE!!
I don’t have a partner and even if I did I might not ever actually want to get married BUT no one has the right to tell me I can’t.Two of my friends who live in Cali have been enraged and up in arms about Prop 8. They made signs, would stand on street corners with their “no on 8” signs and stuff. All my friends in Cali are voting No on it.
There is a video on youtube that says same-sex rights = rise of Hitler. What? Hitler discriminated against one thing, the Jews, because they were Jews. These people are discriminating against one thing, same-sex couples/marriage, because those people are homosexual… so shouldn’t THAT be the rise of Hitler?
This is a good video to really say what this is about… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIMpo6gcNmg. I thought it was cute 🙂
I’m so glad my state voted pro-gay marriage last time around (and from what I understand, it was the only state). Equal rights means equal rights.Equal rights, huh?
As it stands now, any gay couple may stroll into a church and demand to be married, by state law, even if the church objects (At least, this is how the laws read out, to me. If someone can point me to a credible correction of California Law, please do so. I am tired of reading political double-speak). Most couples have more sense than to go to an objecting establishment, but rest assured, someone will, because someone always does. This is why we have so many dumb-seeming laws in the first place.
Seems to me that if it were to be truly equal, then the churches (as individual establishments) would not have to be legally obligated to marry same-sex couples if they did not want to. Forcing your beliefs on the church is just as bad as the church forcing it’s beliefs on you. And sadly, two wrongs never, ever make a right. However, same-sex couples should have the right to marry, just not in an objecting establishment.
But, seeing as how people can’t be that open minded, and that straightforward in thinking (and certainly, not in lawmaking) it will not happen. Gavim Newsom, along with that grade-school teacher has probably just shot this cause in the foot. And rightfully so.
Just my two ‘sense’.
For the record, I did not vote for Obama, or McCain.
-Dark_zorse, off to hoot for owls.
So, I know a lot of you are avid outdoors people on this board. And as a lot of you know, my choice of profession takes me to some pretty neat locales and the wildlife that goes with. To this end, I’ve started a blog about my crazy outdoor adventures. The entries will be co-authored with my man, Ryask.
So, if you are interested in learning a bit about what true Northern California has to offer in outdoor recreation, wildlife, and beauty, or just reading about my wild adventures in the great State of Jefferson, give it a look! 😀
Please be warned… there’s not much it it yet. At this very moment, I am talking to Ryask about what adventures we’ve been on that we should post about. Most likely Castle Crags since we did that hike at about this time of the year last year.
HESTON FOR PRESIDENT! (Yes, I know he is dead. All the more reason to vote for him.)
STATE OF JEFFERSON!
*wipes the rabid foam from her jowls*
(Pssst… I suggest not slinging stones about prop 8. I can take both side of the fence on that one. I happen to live out in the “boonies” of California, and there are a legit point or two I can think of over that.)
Skunks definitely do not spray themselves intentionally. But often, controlling where the skunks are will help control the smell…
I do recommend, since it sounds like you have dogs, to avoid feeding them outside. Pet food will attract not only skunks, but raccoons – both big problems for dogs (and disease vectors).
Another thing I suggest is checking your fence for ground-level entry points that a skunk might get in. Skunks cannot climb, so if they are getting into your yard, it is because they have found a place in the bottom of the fence where they can get in.
Another thing I want to throw in a quick warning about is rabies. Skunks are one of the creatures that can and do carry rabies without showing symptoms, especially in the western states. It is always a good idea to make sure pets are vaccinated for rabies to avoid any mishaps, doubly so if you think there are skunks in your backyard. This being said, probably isn’t ever a good idea to handle wild skunks (even cute little babies).
If it was just a one-time event of smelling skunk-spray, then sit tight. It’ll take a while for the smell to go away.
This random drive by wildlife-management trivia post was brought to you by the letter G, and number 7, and…
Dark_Zorse – Fish Herder Extraordinaire
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If you are anything like me, the holidays roll around, and sometimes I am left scratching my head about a gift to get a special someone. Specially in an economy like this, where every penny counts! (While a windstone sculpture.. or six might be just fine with any of us, I know there’s some folks out there who just don’t understand the craze!)
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-Dark Zorse o/~ Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego…? o/~
