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    I dont know if it was anyone here that sold this Flion, but because of the honesty Ive seen here, Im highly doubting it. For those of you bidding against my sister in law Nicole for this piece (several of us in the family use my eBay account and have for yrs with no problem; it remains at 100%), you can be happy you didnt get the piece for that price.

    Maybe you all can give me some advice if youre willing to read here. First, here is the link to the closed auction:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200132682231&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=010

    As you can see, the seller says the item is MINT. She says it in description and then something just as similar to a buyer who had a question. She did not post Nicole’s question asking if it was from a smoker’s home (it was), but did answer privately. In that same message, she also said that there were NO FLAWS she could see.

    How could you miss them?! 😯 Well, maybe 😯 to me, a collector. While there’s no chips, theres missing bits of paint on the toes, under ALL the toes, on the tail and BOTH haunches. The felt is a smooshed peeling mess. Not to mention, for being “curio kept”, it’s dusty which as you guys know from my sales here, I always mention mine may be dusty. This seller didnt.

    She also had poor communication after auctions end, according to my sister in law who was asking for shipping insurance to be added. After a couple of days, she went ahead and paid right away so that this would arrive for my birthday this weekend. Seller’s answer (to consider) was that her mom was in the hospital having recently had a stroke and thats why she didnt get back to Nicole right away. She did add shipping insurance for free. She said she would double box the Flion, but it’s was not as we here understand double boxing. But again, it didnt break so Im fine with that.

    Now it comes time to be leaving feedback for seller (she left my feedback as positive). Nicole has contacted her through eBay and through email to give her a chance to explain why she said it was MINT with no flaws on more than one occasion when it’s easily seen in person that there is missing paint. All things considered, what kind of feedback would you leave her? Nicole is, at BEST, going to leave her Neutral feedback. And, shes giving her time to respond to her queries about why the item was misrepresented, or, all facts not disclosed or listed properly both in description, when she asked and when another buyer asked.

    He displays well from a far, but it’s very easy to see the missing paint when you come up to admire him (I doubt my camera would catch it though I could try). The bottom would be EASY to see but even if that were the only places it was messed up, Id be fine since he sits on his rump. But missing scraped paint else where is not MINT in my opinion. And to full out say that there were no flaws to be seen both to me and other buyers, that’s plain wrong.

    I dont think Nicole would care if it werent a present and it was a different kind of statue (Non Windstone). But she paid $207 plus shipping for this and is a bit miffed. I dont profess to know how to touch up the missing bits of paint as Im scared Id mess it up further. If I knew how to do this, Id not care as much- neither of us would. But my point is, the item, the way I understood it, was misrepresented in part. You dont call something MINT when it’s missing paint, or say that it has no flaws when it’s obvious that it does.

    Any advice? Thanks for reading and letting me vent. Nicole is over my shoulder reading this and feels better for my having written it as it will help her out too.

    Big hugs, from this bittersweet Leo 🙁 😡 😮 🙄 🙂 … I dont know how I feel.

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    #605660
    Purplecat
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      I’ve been there…THe best thing to do is to consider all the flaws and decide what you would have been willing to pay for him with these flaws. Then tell the seller the flaws you found and suggest a refund so that you will have paid what you think he’s worth. Then perhaps see about having him restored with someone here on the forum (I could fix him if you like. just pm me). I hope this helps, although if the seller decides to be a pain my advice won’t be worth much… 😕

      #605661
      tc_cat333
      Participant

        Well I don’t know.. As a person that hates leaving negative feed back, I think if she doesn’t respond to your sisters questions about it not being in Mint condition… If she does and has a somewhat good excuse like she’s blind and asked her husband if it was mint then maybe leave neutral…

        #605662
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          Ouch! Ebay bites again. I’m so sorry to hear about your issue with the seller. I talk from experience when I say, that most of us collectors (if we deal with Ebay frequently) have been burned by the “mint” description as well.

          What I have done in the past is request from the seller a partial refund. Whatever amount you feel would bring down the price to what you would have paid if you had known the flaws. In this case, the piece was quite expensive so you might have trouble doing this. Although, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to ask for a $30 refund. Perhaps some other members can give a better estimation. You want it to be enough so that you don’t feel you’re being taken to the cleaners, but not too much so that the seller won’t go for it.

          It has been my rule of thumb that if the seller refunds the amount I request (in a timely fashion) then I leave positive. If they don’t and 1.) don’t communicate back, 2.)Don’t offer another solution, then I have no problem leaving a negative.

          The other option you have is to return the piece for a full refund (assuming the seller will do it) and then just eat the shipping costs. It has been my experience that most sellers prefer partial refunds to full refunds, but it really depends on how you feel about it.

          I hope it works out. Please keep us informed.

          #605663
          Tiffany
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            that sounds good, hopefully they will be embarrassed and give you an appropriate refund! its only fair if they are deceptive about the condition!. good luck!! i got a bad emerald young like that a couple months ago, chips bad repairs and all, but the seller was like” i didn’t see it so i’m not responsible”- blah!
            i just got nailed myself- i got a second chance offer for the griffin gargoyle and took it. she arrived yesterday and both of her wings broke off, the guy didn’t double box like i told him to. he wrapped her with one piece of bubble wrap and put her in a box a hair bigger than she was with a few packing peanuts. she punctured the box with her wings. i emailed him wanting to know his thoughts and reminded him i told him to double box and he didn’t. i have yet to hear from him, but in the auction he stated he wasn’t responsible for damaged items, but how can you NOT be when you pack stuff like a momo? it wouldn’t have broken if you packed it right! hmm. i’m at a loss of how to leave feedback too. i guess it will be on if he will give a partial refund. i hoping for one but we’ll see.

            #605664

            Ouch… unfortunately, I’m like tc_cat and I don’t like leaving negative feedback (I’m a non-confrontational wus) and the one time I was in a similar position (right down to the not mentioned chips & smokers home smell), I just didn’t leave feedback at all. If I had that to do over again, I would actually leave neutral feedback and explain why, ’cause I still wanted to keep the piece, so I felt I couldn’t leave negative feedback. If you wish you could return the piece because you’re that unhappy, then I would leave negative feedback, but definitely try purplecat & silverarrow’s suggestions of getting a small refund and see what happens.

            #605665

            Yeah, I would suggest asking for a small refund and then if you want it fixed…send it to someone who can fix it. My bf has always said that he doesn’t mind chips or scratches in his guitars because they give them character.

            #605666

            Im trying to upload photos of the damage which youll clearly see because I circled them in royal blue in Photoshop and made the photos big (so I will link them here to open in a different page instead of have this site host such large photos).

            I wasnt thinking of leaving her negative feedback, nor was Nicole. We are debating about neutral. Ive found more flaws on top of the head as well, which photos will show. Ive been after this piece since it came out, so I wont return it. However, I never thought of a partial refund and Nicole will definitely look into that option (and she thanks you for that input as it didnt occur to either of us.

            We dont know how much to ask back from the $207 (forget about the shipping; that number is item price). We’d like to hear more input from you guys once you are able to view the flaws and tell us what you think. I do not see whatsoever how anyone could miss these paint flaws. Again, not chips but missing paint. Youll see once the photos are loaded and then you can figure out what you would ask back as a refund if you were in this situation yourself. Either way, it is not MINT. I’ll give her good condition… but I wont give her MINT or excellent condition. And she had stated such in auction, in my email to her during auction AND in the buyer’s question that she posted during auction too.

            I dont want to be naive either. I do feel badly that her mom is recovering from a stroke and I dont want to add to that stress. But everyone that knows me has always said, “you never stand up for yourself when youre in the right your whole life!” Im non-confrontational as well and prefer to have positive energy around me whenever possible. Nicole, while very protective of me now, is also like me. Neither of us like to back anyone into corners and put them on the defensive. This is why she emailed the seller before even considering leaving any kind of feedback.

            But, with what problems we’re asking about, what can the seller really say? Either the piece is mint even with those “little” flaws; sorry I didnt see the flaws so it’s not my fault; or, I lied and said it was mint because that is my opinion and Id accept the statue as such in this condition.”

            Photos are uploading slowly cause theyre large. I’ll post them here as soon as I can and hopefully then when you guys see what Im talking about, you might be able to figure on what the partial refund should be. I think that’s a good idea. If the seller goes for a partial refund, then positive feedback will be left. How the seller responds (her tone), will be the only thing that would lead me to negative FB. If she flips out and is rude and spins it around on me, then we’ll go negative because she became negative. But we hope not.

            But, if we hear nothing from her at all, we are still debating on neutral, negative or nothing. Nicole is going to email her photos of the flaws too, just to remind her how many of them there were.

            Still uploading… stand by for links to photos. Thanks for the advice so far and Im also sorry to hear about others disappointments when it comes to eBay winnings. You have my support.

            #605667

            Taking forever to upload. But here is the first one which shows the base and felt problems. If it werent for the other flaws youll see, Id not even be concerned about these base flaws since you can see them on display… but still should have been told about them.

            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flionbaseflaws.jpg

            #605668

            Well if most of it is on the bottom by the felt, then I would ask for a small refund even if there is a lot of paint comming off. I think the problem is that a lot of people don’t look at the bottom of the peice and so they either A: don’t know about it or B: they don’t think it would be a big deal. If this were my Flion, I think I would of paid a little over $100. Also, I would say that if they don’t respond within 3 days then leave them netrual or negative feedback.

            #605669

            Nicole did send her an email and eBay mail that said she would like a response to her concerns by August 6, Monday. If she hears nothing, then she has no cjoice but to leave at BEST, neutral feedback.

            Here are the rest of the photos:
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flionlefthaunchflaws.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Fliontopofheadflaws.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flionfronttoeflaws.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flionrighthaunchflaw.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Fliontailcloseflaws.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flioncloseupbaseflaws.jpg

            Dont forget the link in my post above Dragonessjade that shows the entire bottom.

            Now that youve seen all of this damage, rerear thte link to the auction in the first post I made here and tell me if you think she accurately described this Flion as being mint. And telling me and other buyers (you can see her response in the auction) that there were no scratches or missing paint or flaws that she noticed. To me, she must be blind.

            After taking all this under consideration, what kind of reimbursement do you think Nicole should ask of her (DJ, yes, Id love to think that getting $100 back would be possible but I dont see that happening at all… unless I have such a big case here but that’s whay Im gauging this on you guys and opinions).

            Thanks!

            #605670

            PhoenixTears wrote:

            Nicole did send her an email and eBay mail that said she would like a response to her concerns by August 6, Monday. If she hears nothing, then she has no cjoice but to leave at BEST, neutral feedback.

            Here are the rest of the photos:
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flionlefthaunchflaws.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Fliontopofheadflaws.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flionfronttoeflaws.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flionrighthaunchflaw.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Fliontailcloseflaws.jpg
            http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k30/AdvDept27/Flioncloseupbaseflaws.jpg

            Dont forget the link in my post above Dragonessjade that shows the entire bottom.

            Now that youve seen all of this damage, rerear thte link to the auction in the first post I made here and tell me if you think she accurately described this Flion as being mint. And telling me and other buyers (you can see her response in the auction) that there were no scratches or missing paint or flaws that she noticed. To me, she must be blind.

            After taking all this under consideration, what kind of reimbursement do you think Nicole should ask of her (DJ, yes, Id love to think that getting $100 back would be possible but I dont see that happening at all… unless I have such a big case here but that’s whay Im gauging this on you guys and opinions).

            Thanks!
            Well it does sound like you are going in the correct direction and if I saw all of those then I definately would not call it mint. Although if you look at the auction photo..you can see some of the damage that you pointed out(but you might have to enlarge it or look thru a magnifying glass). Which leads me to believe that A: the seller was stressed out and didn’t look at it closely or B: she/he was just trying to get money. But I do think you have a good case and you should try to get some money back. I think that if she doesn’t respond to your email then you could try going thru ebay, but I think you would have to send it back (but it might be something else that you could look into).

            #605671
            wolflodge100
            Participant

              I am so sorry this has happened to you. That flion is not mint! I wish I had known you were looking for one. I have 2. I would ask pegasil how much non mint flion have gone for and ask the seller for a refund reflecting that amount. I wish you all the best!

              #605672

              That really makes me want to cry. How can the seller say that’s mint? I would ask for a partial refund at least. I would try for at least $50. I hope you do get a partial refund.

              I’ve had the same thing happen to me a few times.

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