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eaglefeather831 wrote:
*sigh* I will someday have a horse of my own. 🙂 All of this talk about their beautiful colors makes me eager to have one!
Haaay, you could always come pet mine and brush mine and lurv mine and ride mine, oh wait, Idaho.
What about hugging someone elses? Ya know, they don’t care WHO owns them when they get handed that carrot or scritchies on their itchies. I feel your dream and pain, if it wasn’t for my Pop feeding my addiction (horses), gosh knows what I’d be like.
dunreining wrote:Hello, A Buttermilk Dun is a Buckskin horse who has the Dun Gene which makes the horse a very light creamy buckskin color with the black mane, tail and they will have Dun factor like the Dorsal stripe, leg barring, Shoulder barring etc. Here is a picture of 2 buttermilk dun horses so you can see what they look like, There very pretty horses. 🙂
http://crownzquarterhorses.org/sitemap.aspx
http://montanamalonequarterhorses.com/Default.aspA Buckskin plus a dun gene, often called a “dunskin” or a “buttermilk dun”, will usually be lighter in body color than either a regular dun or a plain buckskin, and will have all the dun markings in a darker color.
Whoa, muchos gracias.
Dunskin – Buttermilk Dun. And I thought I was the only one that made combo words! My mother corrects me all the time. “Errr, ya know, I meant that Mom.” 8) I thought that is what it meant but …. there is so much this, that and the other that they have come out with for all the different colors, it’s wonkey I tell ya.
Ok, here is what I grew up calling the Red Backed Dun, out of the sire of the first link:
http://crownzquarterhorses.org/08foals.aspx
I would so breed my Liver Chestnut to Daddys Smokin Caddy, he’s not only built right, for my eye that is, but his coloring is definately something to glance at twice, thrice and more.
You sound very versed about the genetics of the colors, I had heard a rumour about the Livers. Mind if I pick your brain in PM’s?
This is my goober:
And this is a whole lot of other stuff, if anyone is bored.
http://s324.photobucket.com/albums/k339/Hoofers_Barn/
They’d lurv for you to hug them Eaglefeather, that riding thing though … they’re LAZY this time of year. Oh wait, that could be me that’s lazy this time of year.
Oooh …
I meant to mention, the Red Backed Dun that I had came out of a cross between a gorgeous Bay (Sire) and a blanketed (not flashy by any means) Appaloosa (Dam)
Hoofer wrote:This is my goober:
And this is a whole lot of other stuff, if anyone is bored.
http://s324.photobucket.com/albums/k339/Hoofers_Barn/
I enjoyed my “visit” to your place. That palm tree is neat. My favorite is that burro. Thanks.
laphon1 wrote:I enjoyed my “visit” to your place. That palm tree is neat. My favorite is that burro. Thanks.
Verra welcome.
“Ya’ll Come Back Ya hear!”
Heh, my Southy Mouthy has taken over.
Agreed, that wee one is so cute, he finally comes close enough to the fence that I could reach out and pet him, but I don’t. His Daddy has a thing for my Mares. My one has no interest in ANY man, let alone a Donkey. Not sure what her gig is, the why behind the ‘not interested in ’em’, but she’s not. Probably because she watches the other one and that one … she is NOT shy. 😳
~Hoofer
P.S. Ms. Melody, RED BACKED DUN GRAND UNICORN, with Blaze and Socks and …. I’d tap into my rarely used CC for that Baby! squeek* squeek* squeek* squeek*
Have you ever seen a “Champagne” colored horse? the ones I have seen look like light duns, but they have bright pink skin under the haircoat..
Melody wrote:Have you ever seen a “Champagne” colored horse? the ones I have seen look like light duns, but they have bright pink skin under the haircoat..
Yes! But only in pictures. I love all these different colors.
However, I stay away from owning anything pink skinned in this state. I had a friend who cleaned up a gorgeous black and white paint, I also would have cleaned her up. Unfortunately, she shouldn’t have. The horses pink skin was actually protected by all that yuck. The moment she cleaned her up all that pink skin fry, fry, fried. We are close to the equator but not that close! But by this mares reaction to getting the bacteria filled funk out of her coat, you would think we were sitting right on top of it.
It was so bad, I’m not exaggerating when I say this, things that should not be burned, burned on that poor mare. After that, she had to stay in the pasture stall or in the shaded paddock.
I really, really, really lurv the look of the one DunReiner linked to, the ‘Buttermilk Dun’, Daddys Smokin Caddy. I printed him out and the Farrier and I drooled over him today. 8)
I’ll tell them you said that LadyFirebird & Eaglefeather!
I wanted to add that horses have only two base colors: Black and red(chestnut). Liver chestnut, flaxen chestnut, and sorrel are all ee (red based) horses.
Black and bay are Ee or EE. Ee can produce black or red, but EE will alway produce black.
All other colors (bay, buckskin, palomino, etc) have modifiers added.A bay is a black horse Ee or EE with an agouti gene (Aa or aa). Agouti restricts the black to the points of the horse so it is a black horse with a red body.
Creme is a modifier that lightens only the red parts of the coat. So a chestnut with creme becomes a palomino and a bay horse becomes a buckskin. Black horses can carry creme, but you normally wont visually see it.
Silver works the same way, but only reacts on black hair. So you will see silver bays and silver black.
Dun is a modifier that does change the shade of the coat and will always have a dorsal stripe. Always. Sometimes duns will have stripes on their legs that look zebraish.
A red dun would be a chestnut horse with dun added. Dun changes the red to a peachy color and the horse will have a well defined dorsal stripe.
There’s bay dun as well. Then a dun with a creme gene gets a dunskin and dunalino.Now they are trying to nail down a ‘brown’ gene. Brown horse are thought right now to be a really dark bay, but they are looking for a gene that dictates how much black a horse shows.
Clear as mud? 😀
Phoenix wrote:IThere’s bay dun as well. Then a dun with a creme gene gets a dunskin and dunalino.
Clear as mud? 😀
Oh dear gawds, she threw in a NEW word, DUNALINO, there goes my encephalon.
ee eE EE …. I did a little more digging and saw some of the percentages to the combos.
All I ever truely cared about was the HYPP n/n and we’re all clear on that subject. How idiotic was that? Err, don’t get me started, I’ll have to unclear your mud and throw some serious black tar on the subject.
Buuuut, I have my hopes up, I really dig the skins, always have. I think it’s all that extra stuff they have to look at, lines, chrome, ear tips, striping, lots and lots of eye candy ….
Thanks for the elaboration Phoenix, it was very appreciated. ;-p
You know … Hoofer!
Yes… THe HYPP status is SUPER important! So is the OLWS. I still can’t believe people breed OLWS to OLWS because they think they’ll have a higher chance at a spotted foal. But I guess a dead white foal is spotted… 🙄
I also forgot Grulla is a black horse with dun.
And grey horses are what ever color they were born but the cells that cause the hairs to have color get turned off by the grey gene so a horse that is grey is also genetically black, chestnut, buckskin, etc…Phoenix wrote:Yes… THe HYPP status is SUPER important! So is the OLWS. I still can’t believe people breed OLWS to OLWS because they think they’ll have a higher chance at a spotted foal. But I guess a dead white foal is spotted… 🙄
I also had to concern myself with hyperelastosis cutis (HC) or what is known as the hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA).
You freaks stop that! Actually, I do not believe that one was intentional.
Yeah I hear you Phoenix, what was that saying about common sense …. :scratch: …. Oh yeah!
There’s a whole lot of common in this world, just not a whole lot of sense. :nea:
Phoenix wrote:I also forgot Grulla is a black horse with dun.
It is?
Hmmm, that explains the markings.
Phoenix wrote:And grey horses are what ever color they were born but the cells that cause the hairs to have color get turned off by the grey gene so a horse that is grey is also genetically black, chestnut, buckskin, etc…
Whoa, now that’s neat.
I also forgot to mention to Nightcrow, my all time favorite breed picture book from when I was a kid (yes I still have it!) had me drooling over Akhal-Tekes for a long time. Why? Because it mentioned their ‘golden or silvery metallic sheen.’ That had me oohing and aahing as I imagined what that would look like in person. I myself had flashy coppery highlights so I had a base to start with in my imagination.
For that matter, I also drooled all over the Alter-Real breed. My poor book!
The horse they used as the example, Wow! He was a brown and he was loaded with very prominent dappling.
I’ve always been a romantic at heart. Rutger Hower in Lady Hawk and that Big Black WOW! So if you know the Alter-Real breed and know the movie, you could see the connection.
~Hoofer, dreaming about the what-ifs
Oof! I really highjacked this thread, my bad & apologies Ms. Melody.
Phoenix wrote:Yes… THe HYPP status is SUPER important! So is the OLWS. I still can’t believe people breed OLWS to OLWS because they think they’ll have a higher chance at a spotted foal. But I guess a dead white foal is spotted… 🙄
What is HYPP and OLWS?
HYPP is a gene that some breeders think causes the Quarter horses to be more muscular. Since the disease causes the afflicted horses to sieze and spasm, the breeders believe all that “excercise” makes the horse more beefy. There have been shows where these + horses fall over in the ring. It’s very very sad.
Herda is a disease in which the skin of the horse sluffs off? It’s really gross from what I’ve heard. THe horse suffers tremendously.
OWLS is the gene that causes the Overo pattern in horses. The “overo” pattern is a broad term used to name everything that isn’t Tobiano, but there is an actual gene for Overo Lethal White Syndrome. The homozygous form of OLWS is fatal to the foals. The foals are born completely white or almost all white (some have a spot around the ears or tails). The foals are missing parts of their intestines or cells needed to digest, so their death is normally painful…
Some breeders think that breeding two OLWS horses together will result in better odds of a spotted foal.
If you do the punnett square for one positive (Oo) and one negative (oo) for the OLWS gene it results in 50% (oo) solid, and 50% (Oo)spotted foals.
The punnett square for two positive (Oo) OLWS horses result in 50% spotted (Oo) 25% solid (oo) and 25% homozygous/lethal (OO).
So while two positive horses will give a solid result only 25% of the time, the other 25% will be a dead white foal that suffered it’s whole life. So really you have the same chance of a spotted (live) foal 50% of the time.Whew! Sorry to bore you all, but it’s a needless waste to breed these diseases into the horses and education should be passed on!
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