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Does anyone here own any of them? There’s quite a few a like, but of course, she’s gone (and after what everyone has said, I’d be afraid to ask her to do something for me even if she did turn up…). So, anyone want to sell? đ Or do you think it would be horrible of me to attempt to recreate the ones I like for myself? >.>;
Watergazer painted the snow leopard griffin, second from the left.
She painted the spring green kirin, bottom left. I painted the one on the top right (Prax is poking her in the butt;)…I’m not anywhere near as talented as Watergazer, but the color layout is similar to hers. *shrugs* I think she is still on LiveJournal if you wanted to try to contact her.
She painted the Husky wolf for me. It is a memorial to Kavic, the dog I had growing up. She painted the wolf on the far right, too.
She really did (does?) nice work. My photography skills do nothing but detract from all of the pyos. đł So many talented artists on this forum!
I have one of them, but I don’t think I’d ever part with it. đł
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry Dragonskitsunelady wrote:Does anyone here own any of them? There’s quite a few a like, but of course, she’s gone (and after what everyone has said, I’d be afraid to ask her to do something for me even if she did turn up…). So, anyone want to sell? đ Or do you think it would be horrible of me to attempt to recreate the ones I like for myself? >.>;
I don’t know the story [and really don’t need/want to know] but I wouldn’t think you’d be horrible to try and recreate the ones you like for yourself. With all of us here with our different styles and such, there are some things I find similar to others. This is for your personal enjoyment–think there would be problems only if you were trying to sell and pass them off as your ideas. đ
kitsunelady wrote:Does anyone here own any of them? There’s quite a few a like, but of course, she’s gone (and after what everyone has said, I’d be afraid to ask her to do something for me even if she did turn up…). So, anyone want to sell? đ Or do you think it would be horrible of me to attempt to recreate the ones I like for myself? >.>;
Horrible as in what’s “legal” or horrible as in you know it’s not, but you want to now if we will throw eggs and ostracize you from the forum? If you are combing, say, the same cat and bird pattern that Watergazer has done on her griffins, in your own style, then I don’t think there’s a problem since she has no claim on animal patterns. And a lot of those combos have reoccurred multiple times. But I don’t think it’s kosher to copy her work that’s not based on natural color schemes anymore than it would be to copy Melody’s or Jennifer’s (I’m sure they have more knowledge on this than I). Maybe approach the paintjob as being “inspired by” instead of trying to “recreate”? Or course, others say what someone doesn’t know can’t hurt them, so I guess nothing prevents your from copying them and keeping them in a shrine you built in a damp, unlit basement =P
Lokie wrote:kitsunelady wrote:Does anyone here own any of them? There’s quite a few a like, but of course, she’s gone (and after what everyone has said, I’d be afraid to ask her to do something for me even if she did turn up…). So, anyone want to sell? đ Or do you think it would be horrible of me to attempt to recreate the ones I like for myself? >.>;
Horrible as in what’s “legal” or horrible as in you know it’s not, but you want to now if we will throw eggs and ostracize you from the forum? If you are combing, say, the same cat and bird pattern that Watergazer has done on her griffins, in your own style, then I don’t think there’s a problem since she has no claim on animal patterns. And a lot of those combos have reoccurred multiple times. But I don’t think it’s kosher to copy her work that’s not based on natural color schemes anymore than it would be to copy Melody’s or Jennifer’s (I’m sure they have more knowledge on this than I). Maybe approach the paintjob as being “inspired by” instead of trying to “recreate”? Or course, others say what someone doesn’t know can’t hurt them, so I guess nothing prevents your from copying them and keeping them in a shrine you built in a damp, unlit basement =P
Legal? I don’t know whether it’s “legal” or not. The supposed “legality” of painting something similiar to someone else’s PYO (I see now that ‘recreate’ was a poor word choice), especially since I wouldn’t be painting it with intent to sell/give no credit where due, never crossed my mind. I would never try an exact copy of anything painted by Windstone, Jennifer, or Arlla, simply out of respect for them as artists and for myself as well. As for Watergazer, I don’t paint like her, probably couldn’t if I tried (everyone has their quirks – I use an airbrush, and she obviously doesn’t, for example) and although I like some of the colors on some of her pieces, there are enough things I also dislike that there would be no question of straight “copying” – the notion offends me too much to even attempt. I certainly do not need to copy to come up with something I like (I haven’t done a PYO yet that I didn’t want to keep) – there were just a couple of PYOs that had color schemes I thought PARTS of were nice. But I have no intention of approaching her for a commission, after all the fuss made about her before I even joined this forum – she is obviously, according to multiple people on here, not a seller to be trusted. I’m not crazy. I’ve already lost about $180 to untrustworthy parties on the Windstone Flea Market, so I’m sort of paranoid, and it would apparently be with good reason where she is concerned.
The only reason I even mentioned my thought on doing it for myself is because I’ve noticed a tendency in some members to constantly say “That reminds me of [insert paint job, whether it be by a forum member on a PYO or an official Windstone paint job]!” no matter how vague the resemblance, when someone posts a recently finished PYO. I’ve seen some people take offense to that, and I felt bad for them; I know it was very annoying for me to feel like I should have to worry about whether anyone would say “That reminds me of blah-blah-blah!” when working with such a common theme like Ocean/Sea/Water is, during the PYO swap this year. So in the event no one wanted to sell the ones that interested me, I felt like being upfront with what I intended to do – the resemblance, assuming I even felt like showing anyone, would not be unintentional – it would be deliberate. I regret asking, and making it look like I was seeking ‘permission’, since I’m not one to beat around the bush, I don’t claim ideas I haven’t personally invented as my own, and I could care less if you wanted to ‘ostracize’ or ‘throw eggs’ at me – I’d be perfectly happy to return to lurking, as that’s more of my usual M.O. anyways. And I would certainly not put anything I’d spent time painting in a “shrine [I] built in a damp, unlit basement”…if I even HAD a shrine or a damp, unlit basement (it is, in fact, quite dry and well lit, and partially finished – it was good enough to put my Color Circle of Cats in)…I’m not Buffalo Bill. >.>;
Hey, I’m not going to lie. I based a good amount of my Griffin “Blu” in my gallery off of a Blue Jay/Kestral -ish Griffin that Watergazer painted. I didn’t rip it off. I made it my own, but I probably wouldn’t have come up with the scheme as I did if I hadn’t seen hers. đ
Got a busted Windstone?
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Arc-en-ciel Emperor
Siphlophis Male Dragon
Calypso Hatching Empress
Ivory Moss Sitting Baby Kirin
Tattoo Mother Kirin
Emerald Tabby Male Griffin
Tie Dye + Orion Hatching Royalty
Indigo Rockfish + Flame Tabby Little Rock Dragons
Dragon Quail + Obsidian Frost Old Warriors
Betta Sun Dragon + Male Dragon
Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry DragonsMy response was to your exact word choice: ârecreateâ. When you use that word, and specifically remark whether or not it would be âhorribleâ to do so, then how do I know if your intentions are direct copying versus being inspired by or taking elements from? Seeing it multiple times before in my 3+ years here, some people donât know there is anything wrong with painting a piece like anotherâs. Not just copying Melodyâs or Namâs or Arllaâs, but other forum membersâ PYOs as well. If you look in the gallery, you can see copying and unhappy comments by the copied artist. Just because a member leaves the forum doesnât mean there should be free use of their paint schemes. Any memberâs unique design/color scheme should be protected just as I would try to protect yours if you left the forum and some member was talking about trying to, say, ârecreateâ (again, I read as potentially copying) one of your more unique designs. But that seems to have all been a misunderstanding =)
Since you are now saying you arenât copying and there was a different understanding of the word ârecreateâ, well, then, there really is no argument or comment on my side since many members are inspired by or borrow elements of other pieces all the time. Nor was it an issue before since I thought it unlikely you would copy, but I responded to your question because a. you asked, and b. in case you were thinking of blatant copying (I have no idea about the intentions in your head when the question can be misinterpreted) c. in case any new members got the impression it was OK to blatantly copy, confused with the term “recreate” themselves, because no one else remarked otherwise.
The defensive tone in your response that I detect (itâs 3am, so it might read much different in the morning, so Iâm not going to get bent out of shape) is somewhat understandable, but comments from me like âthrow eggsâ or âbuild a shrineâ was meant to actually lighten the situation, not meant to upset you. Iâve seen you get, umm, a little, umm (any word I use will probably elicit an irate response)⊠riled up⊠over responses, so I was using silly terms to have the reply have a light, less serious tone so there wouldnât be any quick to anger type replies. Oh, how I fail =P
And finally, are you getting Watergazer and Whippetluv mixed up? I wasnât aware anyone had any problems (at least in public) with Watergazer. But I really donât pay much attention to drama or gossip so maybe problems have arisen and I’m just “out of the loop”, so to speak.
Maybe there is something I missed as well…my memory isn’t what it used to be! đ But as you can see from the number of pieces I have from Watergazer, I dealt with her on a few deals…straight commissions, commissions in trade, as well as a couple of eBay sales. She was never anything other than Professional with me, with a capital P. Watergazer didn’t “leave” on bad terms as far as I remember…I think life just got her so busy, she had to give up something and this was it (or one of a few “its”). I know she had a baby, I know she was working on a book about Werewolves, etc. I have no idea if she is still doing any kind of art, but if she was selling something, I would certainly recommend her if asked. I just wanted to be clear on that part…she always held up her end of the bargain with me. If her reputation took a nosedive somewhere along the line, I’ll stand corrected.
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