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I’m freaking out here people. I’m about to gloss my keeper. I have used quite a bit of silver leaf(liquid) on her. I happened, just by sheer luck, to try this out on a kirin I sacrificed: I sprayed krylon crystal clear over the silver leaf, well it yellowed almost immediatly. The silver turned silver with coppery brown highlites. So, I tried brushing over some silver leaf with my liquitex high gloss varnish…same thing. So now I want to gloss my keeper and I’m terrified I’ll ruin her. What do I use to seal the leaf before glossing the rest of her??!!
hmm….I use Duncan sealer on all of my PYO’s….I’m not sure where to get it locally….it’s usually in Ceramic stores….we don’t have any here anymore so I order it from
BigCeramicStore.com
it dries completely clear no streaks anything…I love it…
that’s the only idea I have…
Paint some of that leaf on a piece of cardboard and then experiment on that with various sealers, I’d try the brush on kind, but definately test before you attempt to seal it.
Whatever doesn’t do weird things to it will be the one you want to use. Good luck, I’ve never used the leaf you mentioned, so I have no experience with sealing it, so all I can suggest is testing samples until you get a paint/sealer combo that doesn’t tarnish it.
Kyrin
The liquid leaf is from Plaid, just incase anyone has used it.
frozen, have you used this in combo w. the duncan sealer?
Yup, I bet Jennifer may know..Should I ask in the ‘Ask Jennifer’ section?
I always put leaf on after the piece is sealed. I sprayed over the aluminum leaf I did once on a test paint and it looked pretty weird.
You are using a paint pen- it’s not actually leaf. It’s usually a metallic paint- with an enamel or other base (which is why they smell so bad!). Problem is, you can put it on top of anything… but you can’t put anything on top of it(safely). Basic art theory is that acrylic is a water based polymer emulsion paint whereas alkyd based or enamel based paints are based on other solvents such as oil. They don’t get along well! Which is why, by the way, you can prime an oil painting with acrylics/ paint oils over acrylics, but you should never try to paint acrylics over oils!
You can test different brands of clear sealer but I suspect you may have the same problem with them all if they are acrylic based. Water based paints do not like being on top of oil or enamel based paints (in you case, the result is that ugly yellowing).
If all else fails you probably have three options…
1. Spray the dragon and re-apply the silver paint pen to the areas that yellowed, giving it a fresh coat, or
2. Use a brush on sealer, avoiding putting the sealer on any areas that have the paint pen, or
3. Don’t seal him and keep him nice and safe in a curio or other dust-free environmentI hope this helps!!
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My art: featherdust.comJennifer, what if she was to use some of that masling fluid on the leaf then seal it, then remove the masking fluid? Maybe try it on a piece of paper first?
I’m not using a paint pen, but liquid in a glass jar, but I think the principle is the same. It is an oil based thing and I guess I must seal it with an oil based sealer. I think I’ll brush on gloss and avoid the areas w/ silver.
Next time I will seal w/ acrylic gloss first, then leaf. Thanks Jennifer, I’m glad to know the reason behind that yellowing. Thanks god I didn’t spray the dragon! I would be crying right now!
You can try masking fluid. It is latex based though so you might have a problem with it sticking or not sticking properly. :/ I have no idea what it would do, personally. Proceed with caution, it’s unproven territory. 🙂
Any liquid ‘leaf’- (after my research so this is to the best of my knowledge)- can have metal flake in it but it is not a genuine leaf (a genuine leaf being metal pounded into very thin sheets). As such it must have some sort of base- usually an alkyd (oil) or enamel, and it won’t react well if you try to put any other kind of paint or sealer on it.
You shouldn’t use an oil based sealer on a PYO unless you want a strange experiment. The oils don’t allow the gypsum to breathe and can result in bubbling, cracking, peeling, or other weirdness in the long run.
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My art: featherdust.comDo you think the oil based sealer would react like that if I applied it only in spots? not large areas…
asinnamon wrote:Do you think the oil based sealer would react like that if I applied it only in spots? not large areas…
In small areas you should be okay. Anything oil based is as your own risk though- I’ve never tried it myself. Good luck!
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My art: featherdust.comasinnamon wrote:The liquid leaf is from Plaid, just incase anyone has used it.
frozen, have you used this in combo w. the duncan sealer?
Yup, I bet Jennifer may know..Should I ask in the ‘Ask Jennifer’ section?
yeah I did use it together once….but this is….
like jennifer said the oil and water based stuff doesn’t always get along well…..I had to be very careful….and only put a tiny about on….if I put too much on…it would actually peal off…
I did that with oil based paint pens too…before I found some water based ones…..and if it’s very glossy…most of it will just peal off…and not look good….
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