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Drag0n, how are you doing? Are you still out of pain? I’m hoping you are and that everything is going well for you because that was some big miracle!!
Glad to hear your back pain is doing better, DragonFeathers! Constant pain is no fun. Sounds like some of the techniques your healer did are part of the chiropractic treatment for back ailments. Also, try some CBD oil. I’ve been using it on my arthritic knees and it works better than all the lotions they sell for pain relief form arthritis.
So true Bodine! If doctors cured anything they wouldn’t make any money! I took a master herbalist and nutrition program from a small college years ago and I know more about health than any one nurse or doctor I know. They get zero education in those areas.
I would love to take a course in Eastern medicine. They use natural herbs to accomplish the same thing that costly prescription drugs do but with less bad consequences.
2 weeks in and I’m still feeling pretty good. Some pain is still there but its still SO much better then I was feeling! I can clean my house without taking breaks like an old lady. I can get up out of bed without rolling onto my belly and getting out one leg at a time and pushing myself off the floor from my knees. SO many things I didn’t like to do, I now find that I am able to do so much easier and actually find joy in the stupidest activities. When was the last time you literally enjoyed shaving your legs in the shower? OMG! Highlight of my day now! LMAO! Clipping my toenails! Pure Heaven! The absolute best thing is being able to pick up my cat from the floor and give him big fluffy hugs! He’s a chubs-ma-grubs beefy-spicy chonk of a cat and picking him up was getting to be really difficult unless he was already up on some furniture for me to grab him. Now I can bend over and pick him up and give him hugs when I get home from work. Pure bliss. I love it. I never want the pain to return and I pray it doesn’t.
I absolutely believe Bodine you are correct. The keep you well enough to survive, but sick enough you have to keep returning for additional treatments. It’s a big cash grab and I think they have their pocket books in mind more then their patient’s actual health and well being. It’s deplorable. I’m sure not every doctor goes by that philosophy, but the way insurance is set up I’m sure the money isn’t just made by helping people. It’s making sure they have to keep coming back. Commercializing insurance is the real problem. Is there any pride or caring people left in the commercial industry? I think not. It’s all about that bottom dollar and shareholders. In the mean time people are sick and struggling and end up remaining that way so the insurance can keep making their billions. It’s pitiful.
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry DragonsSigh. Ok y’all I work at a doctors office. A back doctor and have worked in the medical field and adjacent to it since I was in my early twenties. I was also injured in my early twenties and herniated 7 discs in my spine and messed up my shoulder badly. I have done it ALL. Been the patient, been the one caring for the patient. Been the one having to scream at the insurance company for the patient. Been the patient screaming at my own insurance company. Been to the holistic healers, the chiropractors, the fancy specialists, the regular docs as a patient. Worked as a rad tech, a medical assistant, for those same docs. Here’s the things I wish people understood after almost twenty years doing all this.
One- yes, in the U.S. our healthcare system is broken. But please stop blaming doctors and providers for it. They/we did not break it and most if us are not trying to scam you or keep you from getting better. I’m sorry if you think that or you’ve had bad experiences but most of us are at the mercy of the same broken system. We can’t give you the medication or treatment we’d like to that might work better because YOUR Insurance won’t let us until you try all the other useless stuff first, even when we know and they know it’s not the best choice. Even when I spend two hours on the phone fighting to try to get it approved and get told, no, sorry. So to you, it looks like we gave you something ineffective to keep you coming back. What you don’t see us that we already know we can’t win the fight with your insurance until you try and fail it first. When you all generalize how shitty and greedy and useless all docs and medical folks over here in the U.S. are you make us all think, why do we even bother? Why fight the system for people who literally don’t care and think the worst of us without any damned clue?
Two- Chronic pain will literally cause mental illness, and further physical illness. It can twist you into someone you don’t even know. And when it’s “invisible” like back pain, people and even doctors and nurses, sometimes treat you like you’re crazy because they can’t”see the problem” and it’s not always quantifiable like cancer or diabetes. So try your best to give people with both chronic pain and mental illness some patience. They usually go hand in hand. No one believes that the people who have they could possibly be suffering”that much” and the stigma about even admitting to both remains.
Three- Please be very, very careful with back alley/under the table people. I’ve personally had more damage and seen more patients come through many of my offices with more damage caused by these people than helped by them. With spine, often one improper adjustment can cause fractures and I see more than one of these injuries every YEAR! Often caused by chiropractors who adjust people who should not have adjustments or have pathology that is dangerous to go undiagnosed. Chiropractors also tend to give x-rays and radiation without ANY training in many states. If you found someone and feel great, good. Count your Blessings, but be aware that you got lucky and may not always be lucky. Just like not every doctor is a money grubbing jerk, not every Eastern medicine practitioner or chiropractor is legit or has any training or even a clue as to what they’re doing and could, in fact legit hurt you and you would have zero recourse if they did. A lot of these people are even medical docs from other countries, not Eastern medical practitioners, who just couldn’t get a license to practice here or someone who had a license and lost it.
Finally, spine note only- if you have herniated discs, there are several classifications. Everyone, just about gets one or two past a certain age as the discs lose elasticity and height due to age and life factors. Most people have zero symptoms. A bulge can sometimes be reabsorbed. A herniation rarely is. An extrusion can almost never be treated successfully short of injections or surgery, depending on pain level and symptoms. Most herniations and all extrusions never go away. A disc, once bulged, is easy to damage again, like a water balloon that pouched out. It will always be weaker. Core strengthening for the back and learning how to bend/lift property so as to not reinjure is key to avoiding turning a bulge into worse. I learned all this the hard way with years of every damned treatment imaginable and eventually getting the pain under some control, only to overdo gardening because I felt “great”, bend wrong, and turn a herniated disc into an extrusion and go from great to being unable to walk at all, for two months and all usually treatment failed until surgery that I could not afford but had to do, was the only option.
If you read this all, thanks for bothering.
Hope everyone’s backs a feeling great today.
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Sigh. Ok y’all I work at a doctors office. A back doctor and have worked in the medical field and adjacent to it since I was in my early twenties. I was also injured in my early twenties and herniated 7 discs in my spine and messed up my shoulder badly. I have done it ALL. Been the patient, been the one caring for the patient. Been the one having to scream at the insurance company for the patient. Been the patient screaming at my own insurance company. Been to the holistic healers, the chiropractors, the fancy specialists, the regular docs as a patient. Worked as a rad tech, a medical assistant, for those same docs. Here’s the things I wish people understood after almost twenty years doing all this.
One- yes, in the U.S. our healthcare system is broken. But please stop blaming doctors and providers for it. They/we did not break it and most if us are not trying to scam you or keep you from getting better. I’m sorry if you think that or you’ve had bad experiences but most of us are at the mercy of the same broken system. We can’t give you the medication or treatment we’d like to that might work better because YOUR Insurance won’t let us until you try all the other useless stuff first, even when we know and they know it’s not the best choice. Even when I spend two hours on the phone fighting to try to get it approved and get told, no, sorry. So to you, it looks like we gave you something ineffective to keep you coming back. What you don’t see us that we already know we can’t win the fight with your insurance until you try and fail it first. When you all generalize how shitty and greedy and useless all docs and medical folks over here in the U.S. are you make us all think, why do we even bother? Why fight the system for people who literally don’t care and think the worst of us without any damned clue?
Two- Chronic pain will literally cause mental illness, and further physical illness. It can twist you into someone you don’t even know. And when it’s “invisible” like back pain, people and even doctors and nurses, sometimes treat you like you’re crazy because they can’t”see the problem” and it’s not always quantifiable like cancer or diabetes. So try your best to give people with both chronic pain and mental illness some patience. They usually go hand in hand. No one believes that the people who have they could possibly be suffering”that much” and the stigma about even admitting to both remains.
Three- Please be very, very careful with back alley/under the table people. I’ve personally had more damage and seen more patients come through many of my offices with more damage caused by these people than helped by them. With spine, often one improper adjustment can cause fractures and I see more than one of these injuries every YEAR! Often caused by chiropractors who adjust people who should not have adjustments or have pathology that is dangerous to go undiagnosed. Chiropractors also tend to give x-rays and radiation without ANY training in many states. If you found someone and feel great, good. Count your Blessings, but be aware that you got lucky and may not always be lucky. Just like not every doctor is a money grubbing jerk, not every Eastern medicine practitioner or chiropractor is legit or has any training or even a clue as to what they’re doing and could, in fact legit hurt you and you would have zero recourse if they did. A lot of these people are even medical docs from other countries, not Eastern medical practitioners, who just couldn’t get a license to practice here or someone who had a license and lost it.
Finally, spine note only- if you have herniated discs, there are several classifications. Everyone, just about gets one or two past a certain age as the discs lose elasticity and height due to age and life factors. Most people have zero symptoms. A bulge can sometimes be reabsorbed. A herniation rarely is. An extrusion can almost never be treated successfully short of injections or surgery, depending on pain level and symptoms. Most herniations and all extrusions never go away. A disc, once bulged, is easy to damage again, like a water balloon that pouched out. It will always be weaker. Core strengthening for the back and learning how to bend/lift property so as to not reinjure is key to avoiding turning a bulge into worse. I learned all this the hard way with years of every damned treatment imaginable and eventually getting the pain under some control, only to overdo gardening because I felt “great”, bend wrong, and turn a herniated disc into an extrusion and go from great to being unable to walk at all, for two months and all usually treatment failed until surgery that I could not afford but had to do, was the only option.
If you read this all, thanks for bothering.
Hope everyone’s backs a feeling great today.
Thanks for that!! I totally agree with what you said! It’s not the doctors’ fault at all!! The insurance companies are the ones to be blamed. They do not want to cover $h!t for people who really need it and seem to pay for things that are totally useless. It’s really cool that you were one of the ones who was fighting on behalf of the patient; don’t give up on us!
Sigh. Ok y’all I work at a doctors office. A back doctor and have worked in the medical field and adjacent to it since I was in my early twenties. I was also injured in my early twenties and herniated 7 discs in my spine and messed up my shoulder badly. I have done it ALL. Been the patient, been the one caring for the patient. Been the one having to scream at the insurance company for the patient. Been the patient screaming at my own insurance company. Been to the holistic healers, the chiropractors, the fancy specialists, the regular docs as a patient. Worked as a rad tech, a medical assistant, for those same docs. Here’s the things I wish people understood after almost twenty years doing all this.
One- yes, in the U.S. our healthcare system is broken. But please stop blaming doctors and providers for it. They/we did not break it and most if us are not trying to scam you or keep you from getting better. I’m sorry if you think that or you’ve had bad experiences but most of us are at the mercy of the same broken system. We can’t give you the medication or treatment we’d like to that might work better because YOUR Insurance won’t let us until you try all the other useless stuff first, even when we know and they know it’s not the best choice. Even when I spend two hours on the phone fighting to try to get it approved and get told, no, sorry. So to you, it looks like we gave you something ineffective to keep you coming back. What you don’t see us that we already know we can’t win the fight with your insurance until you try and fail it first. When you all generalize how shitty and greedy and useless all docs and medical folks over here in the U.S. are you make us all think, why do we even bother? Why fight the system for people who literally don’t care and think the worst of us without any damned clue?
Two- Chronic pain will literally cause mental illness, and further physical illness. It can twist you into someone you don’t even know. And when it’s “invisible” like back pain, people and even doctors and nurses, sometimes treat you like you’re crazy because they can’t”see the problem” and it’s not always quantifiable like cancer or diabetes. So try your best to give people with both chronic pain and mental illness some patience. They usually go hand in hand. No one believes that the people who have they could possibly be suffering”that much” and the stigma about even admitting to both remains.
Three- Please be very, very careful with back alley/under the table people. I’ve personally had more damage and seen more patients come through many of my offices with more damage caused by these people than helped by them. With spine, often one improper adjustment can cause fractures and I see more than one of these injuries every YEAR! Often caused by chiropractors who adjust people who should not have adjustments or have pathology that is dangerous to go undiagnosed. Chiropractors also tend to give x-rays and radiation without ANY training in many states. If you found someone and feel great, good. Count your Blessings, but be aware that you got lucky and may not always be lucky. Just like not every doctor is a money grubbing jerk, not every Eastern medicine practitioner or chiropractor is legit or has any training or even a clue as to what they’re doing and could, in fact legit hurt you and you would have zero recourse if they did. A lot of these people are even medical docs from other countries, not Eastern medical practitioners, who just couldn’t get a license to practice here or someone who had a license and lost it.
Finally, spine note only- if you have herniated discs, there are several classifications. Everyone, just about gets one or two past a certain age as the discs lose elasticity and height due to age and life factors. Most people have zero symptoms. A bulge can sometimes be reabsorbed. A herniation rarely is. An extrusion can almost never be treated successfully short of injections or surgery, depending on pain level and symptoms. Most herniations and all extrusions never go away. A disc, once bulged, is easy to damage again, like a water balloon that pouched out. It will always be weaker. Core strengthening for the back and learning how to bend/lift property so as to not reinjure is key to avoiding turning a bulge into worse. I learned all this the hard way with years of every damned treatment imaginable and eventually getting the pain under some control, only to overdo gardening because I felt “great”, bend wrong, and turn a herniated disc into an extrusion and go from great to being unable to walk at all, for two months and all usually treatment failed until surgery that I could not afford but had to do, was the only option.
If you read this all, thanks for bothering.
Hope everyone’s backs a feeling great today.
I also agree and understand. You have a perspective that I do not from being in the field as you are so I apologize if anything I said offended you in your position. That being said, in the situations I was in, every doctor I have seen I didn’t get the sense that they really gave two squats about my pain or my situation. To tell a person, “you’re fine, you just need diet and exercise” without as much as even LOOKING at the problem area was enough to make me want to slap someone. I’m sure for them it was business as usual as people go into offices whining about pain to get prescriptions all the time, but I told them that pain medicine has no effect on me other then making me sick and I didn’t want to just get pain meds thrown at my face, I wanted to know what was wrong and to find out an MRI was necessary, but nobody would grant me a referral to get one. Instead they kept making me do things that made everything worse while billing me into the thousands for useless treatments. I agree that insurance is the major problem. I pay for the best insurance that my job offers and it’s literally a joke the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get actual help. The amount of money I wasted for absolutely no reason or solution is staggering.
Maybe I was lucky in my situation, but the chiropractor who I saw for 4 months took zero X-rays and gave me a lot of adjustments that, in retrospect, I think made things much worse. When I went I only had lower back pain, the pain traveled upwards and eventually my whole mid back and lower back were in so much pain I would just lay in my bathtub and cry. The buoyancy of the water being the only thing that eased in the pain in the slightest.
This backdoor guy was a godsend in my case. Would it work for everyone I don’t know, but he pushed discs back in in areas that I had no original injury, it was what the chiropractor did to me combined with the original lower back injury. It’s been over a month now and I still feel dynamite. I have been VERY careful about the way I move as to not reinjure myself. I also agree that once that area was compromised it will never be the same and be susceptible to re-injury. Been taking it slow. I have been using little arm weights to strengthen my arms so I can move on to push ups and maybe planking once I get some of my upper body strength back again so I can begin to work on my core. Taking it slow, but at least now I’m able to exercise, walk, even jog. Before I walked like a 90 year old zombie. I had to get to work 10 minutes early just to punch in on time after hobbling across the parking lot and getting a shopping carriage to put my weight on and making it into the building. Holding my purse was even difficult. Sitting was almost impossible for any length of time and as a designer, a lot of my day is spent sitting and designing spaces with customers and if I’m not doing that I’m loading and unloading 60lb+ cabinets to and from trucks. (not so much loading these days after all this as I have a note for work, but they aren’t going to let me slack on that forever)
Mainly, I hear where you’re coming from and it’s horrible and sad that our medical system is the way it is… from my position I feel like Dr.s and other medical professionals would be the only ones who could insight real change, but against our money hungry government who I really don’t believe want any change, despite what they say at election time, I’m not sure if they system will ever be fixed. Not while insurance is as commercialized as it is anyway. I commend the medical professionals like yourself who do still fight for their patients. I just don’t think there are many of you left to be honest.
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry Dragonsdrag0n said:
“Mainly, I hear where you’re coming from and it’s horrible and sad that our medical system is the way it is… from my position I feel like Dr.s and other medical professionals would be the only ones who could insight real change, but against our money hungry government who I really don’t believe want any change, despite what they say at election time, I’m not sure if they system will ever be fixed. Not while insurance is as commercialized as it is anyway.”My opinion is that the Insurance and Drug companies are the ones in the way of a common person’s proper Health Care – all they want is their profits and not to ‘loose’ those profits by paying claims. And I don’t believe the Congress is really on our side either, although they claim to be. All they want is to be reelected and stay at their cushy jobs… which by the way the Founding Fathers intended to be the duty of those elected to SERVE the PEOPLE for an unspecified time, and then go back to their original professions… NOT to become someone’s CAREER for LIFE! Congress doesn’t even follow what the rest of us have to in regards to Health Care OR Social Security, yet THEY make the LAWS for US to follow?!?!? They have their own Health Care and once you are in Congress or the Senate when you ‘retire’ you get everything you had for the rest of your life – No Cost! What a Great Deal for them! They also vote their own raises and of course there are no term limits for them…. once in, unless voted out, they can stay until they decide not to or until death. A few of them have been Congressmen for 30+ years. No wonder Government is stagnate.
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*** Come visit me on deviantArt at http://ela-hara.deviantart.comIf I didn’t have a chiropractor I would be screwed. Mine is great but I have heard other people say a chiropractor didn’t help their issue. I think it depends on the chiropractor and the injury. Here in Alberta where I live I’m grateful we have free health care and I’m not sure why not every province and also state in the US has the same thing. The only thing I don’t like about it is that it is still limited for us. I can go to most any doctor for free, get x-rays, ultrasounds, MRIs and things like that for free but if I need to go a specialist or a chiropractor, physiotherapist or massage therapist those are not covered unless you buy additional insurance. Some people have plans that include some free dental care, optical and prescription costs covered and some people don’t have that. It depends on your income, if you get help from the government or if you have benefits from a job. Some jobs have great benefits here and some do not. Because I don’t have a regular job, being self employed and low income I get help from the government with benefits but it sucks they do not cover chiropractic because I’ve been going to a chiropractor since I was 10 years old for scoliosis and a couple car accidents I was in and there is no such thing with them as a lasting adjustment. I used to have to go every week when I was young but now I go every few months because I can’t afford to go more. I usually have a bunch of stuff in my body out of place by the time I go like my back, hips, shoulder, neck, etc. And after adjustments I feel great and the pain is gone and I can do things again but because my joints are hyper flexible, things go out again just by doing everyday stuff and sometimes I wake up with my neck out or hip out just from sleeping in one position. So on one hand I am grateful I can go get fixed at a chiropractor but on the other hand it makes me mad it’s not permanent and it’s not covered. My chiropractor is great but I don’t think it’s his fault I keep having to go back. It’s the nature of my body that makes me have to keep going back.
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