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skigod377 wrote:
Blah to basketball.
Ack! Blah to basketball? 😯
Ski, how, oh how can you say that? Think about it for a second. You get to spend 48 minutes watching really in shape men run around and get sweaty. 😉 And that’s not even mentioning the skill involved. I’m a Nets fan although I also really, really like Steve Nash of the Phoenix Suns. Have you ever watched him or Jason Kidd run the floor with the ball and then do some nearly impossible pass to someone for an easy 2 points? Or if you don’t like flash how about Tim Duncan? The MOST underated superstar in all of sports. He quietly posts amazing numbers and is a hard worker – a total class act. And there is no better sound then the swish of a ball through the net – “nothing but net.” And did I mention you get to watch guys in great shape get sweaty? Compared to basketball players many football and baseball players are out of shape.
*waits for the outrage cries* mwahahahaha!
The colored dogs and special cuts look cute. As long as the dyes are safe and don’t endanger the dog with long use, I have no problem with it.
I just foresee that somewhere down the road, someone is going to try a ‘do-it-yourself’ dye job with spray paint. And then are the backyard breeders and puppy mills, that will jump on the bandwagon and breed white poodles and terriers because everyone is going to want a white dog that they can change the colors on. Kinda like what happened with dalmatians when the movie ‘101 Dalmatians” came out.
As for poodles, the standards were originally bred for retrieving, so if you can get past the silly haircuts, they are very smart dogs and they love to make you laugh. The inbreeding of the toys caused nasty dispositions and gave the breed a bad rep.
As for the story of people buying lambs thinking they were poodles, I find it hard to believe that someone who really wanted a poodle, would believe that poodles have hooves.
Sorry for the soap box post, but you did ask what what we thought. 😀
The hair was cut way for a reason, from when they were used as retrievers, it was functional. The hair was shaved to make them more stream lined, the poofs were left to protect joints and organs. Hence the poofs and the hips and ankles, and chest, the tail poof is said to be a jab from the french at the english and the lion.
Puppymills will breed whatever they can get their hands on, and what people will buy. Right now it is the “designer hybrid” BS that is all the rage, not poodles. No one wants a purebred dog they want a hybrid because they dont shed, poop less, and are healthier. LMFAO.
I haven’t heard about the designer hybrid BS. What is it?
After having an aussie, I wouldn’t mind a dog that didn’t shed and try to re-carpet the house with little fuzzies each day. 😀
If they want less poop, they should buy a smaller dog. 😀
ddvm wrote:Personally I think dying dogs is silly and time consuming. That said, those dog’s owners obviously love them a lot and those dogs are way better off then dogs without homes or whose owners neglect them. I figure if the dog really hates it he/she will let the groomer know (they tend to make their point with teeth) and the groomer won’t do it. I wouldn’t do it to my dog but I wouldn’t condemn someone to doing it to their dog if 1) the dog doesn’t mind and 2) the dye doesn’t hurt the dog.
My thoughts exactly.
Tintaglia wrote:Sorry for the soap box post, but you did ask what what we thought. 😀
❓ Um, yah, I am asking for opinions. Like I said, I like hearing what others have to say. Why would you think that I wouldn’t want your opionion? I haven’t even said my view. You all probably think I’m all for the dye….. I won’t say.
Well, I’ll say this. I don’t mind chalk. I didn’t even know about dye until a client wanted his yorkie poo dyed black. Well, he didn’t get it since I had no way of getting black dye in less than two hours. 😆 At that time I knew nothing of dye. Even in grooming compititions that required dye, we would use vegtables etc…. I never knew you could dye your dog black, or red, or yellow. I didn’t even know why you would want to.
This poodle was done by a friend of mine. Awsome groomer. But, note, this dog is owned by a groomer! And this was for a compitition! (Even though, I knew one groomer who had a one eyed bichon cross that glued a wiggly eye on her dog. Didn’t hurt the dog. It’s non toxic glue. We’ve done rinestones on dogs before too.)
Hum for some reason I can’t paste the picture, or add the link but, it’s the one with the teddy bear on it’s side. In the “Dyed and Colored Dogs” discustion.
Romeodanny wrote:Tintaglia wrote:Sorry for the soap box post, but you did ask what what we thought. 😀
❓ Um, yah, I am asking for opinions. Like I said, I like hearing what others have to say. Why would you think that I wouldn’t want your opionion?
Just meant that I can ramble on sometimes. 😀
ruffian wrote:The hair was cut way for a reason, from when they were used as retrievers, it was functional. The hair was shaved to make them more stream lined, the poofs were left to protect joints and organs. Hence the poofs and the hips and ankles, and chest, the tail poof is said to be a jab from the french at the english and the lion.
Puppymills will breed whatever they can get their hands on, and what people will buy. Right now it is the “designer hybrid” BS that is all the rage, not poodles. No one wants a purebred dog they want a hybrid because they dont shed, poop less, and are healthier. LMFAO.
I had always read that the poodes’ fur was cut so that it was now getting tandled up in weeds and briars and stuff.
Call me crazy, but I do not really mind designer dog breeders. As long as they are responsible about it (educate buyers, breed safely, do health/temperament checks, take back unwanted animals, etc, etc..). Sure, there are plenty of mixed breeds in shelters that need homes, but there are also plenty of good purebreds in those shelters needing homes (I think something like 25% of shelter dogs are purebreds?). People get hybrids for novelty, but so do purebred buyers. A responsible hybrid breeder doesn’t add to the shelter population any more than a responsible purebred breeder does, and neither one breeds for any other reason (usually) than to produce dogs for novelty (as pets or as show animals–and yes, both are novelty because few people would die if they didn’t have a pet dog or didn’t have show dogs). I mean, really.. What is worse, a breeder who sells purebred AKC pups to anyone with money and breeds as many as he possibly can with no regard to the dogs’ health or temperment, or a breeder of mixed breed dogs who only produces two or three litters a year, screens potential buyers, and does health/temperment checks on his dogs and whatever else he can think of to ensure that they get a good home and stay there?
*slinks off*
Oh, BTW, the Japanese poodle/lamb story is a hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/critters/lurkers/poodlesheep.aspPam Thompson wrote:Oh, BTW, the Japanese poodle/lamb story is a hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/critters/lurkers/poodlesheep.aspPeople actually believe this story? Good grief. Probably the same people who send off money to the guy who wants to make you rich… all he needs is your bank account number. 🙄
skigod377 wrote:Pam Thompson wrote:Oh, BTW, the Japanese poodle/lamb story is a hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/critters/lurkers/poodlesheep.aspPeople actually believe this story? Good grief. Probably the same people who send off money to the guy who wants to make you rich… all he needs is your bank account number. 🙄
😆 That’s sad that people actually believe that story. 🙄 Some people will believe anything.
I agree with others…as long as the dye doesn’t hurt the animal then I am fine with it.
I kinda like this pic and I also like the mohawk one:
Pam Thompson wrote:ruffian wrote:The hair was cut way for a reason, from when they were used as retrievers, it was functional. The hair was shaved to make them more stream lined, the poofs were left to protect joints and organs. Hence the poofs and the hips and ankles, and chest, the tail poof is said to be a jab from the french at the english and the lion.
Puppymills will breed whatever they can get their hands on, and what people will buy. Right now it is the “designer hybrid” BS that is all the rage, not poodles. No one wants a purebred dog they want a hybrid because they dont shed, poop less, and are healthier. LMFAO.
I had always read that the poodes’ fur was cut so that it was now getting tandled up in weeds and briars and stuff.
Call me crazy, but I do not really mind designer dog breeders. As long as they are responsible about it (educate buyers, breed safely, do health/temperament checks, take back unwanted animals, etc, etc..). Sure, there are plenty of mixed breeds in shelters that need homes, but there are also plenty of good purebreds in those shelters needing homes (I think something like 25% of shelter dogs are purebreds?). People get hybrids for novelty, but so do purebred buyers. A responsible hybrid breeder doesn’t add to the shelter population any more than a responsible purebred breeder does, and neither one breeds for any other reason (usually) than to produce dogs for novelty (as pets or as show animals–and yes, both are novelty because few people would die if they didn’t have a pet dog or didn’t have show dogs). I mean, really.. What is worse, a breeder who sells purebred AKC pups to anyone with money and breeds as many as he possibly can with no regard to the dogs’ health or temperment, or a breeder of mixed breed dogs who only produces two or three litters a year, screens potential buyers, and does health/temperment checks on his dogs and whatever else he can think of to ensure that they get a good home and stay there?
*slinks off*
Oh, BTW, the Japanese poodle/lamb story is a hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/critters/lurkers/poodlesheep.aspAny breeder I would consider reputable dosnt have one litter a year, they have 1 litter every 2-3 years, they breed for themselves, when they want a new show dog. The breeders I am looking do 5 different health tests, on all of their dogs before they are bred and have 5 year health guarantees. All of the dogs they breed have their CKC conformation champion as well as working titles, there is no reason to breed unless the dog has proven it has something to add to the breed. There are enough pets dieing everyday in shelters there is absolutely no reason to breed for them. And while there are a high number of purebreds in shelters I would bet money that at almost every single one can be traced back to a BYB or a puppymill, not a reputable breeder.
ruffian wrote:Pam Thompson wrote:ruffian wrote:The hair was cut way for a reason, from when they were used as retrievers, it was functional. The hair was shaved to make them more stream lined, the poofs were left to protect joints and organs. Hence the poofs and the hips and ankles, and chest, the tail poof is said to be a jab from the french at the english and the lion.
Puppymills will breed whatever they can get their hands on, and what people will buy. Right now it is the “designer hybrid” BS that is all the rage, not poodles. No one wants a purebred dog they want a hybrid because they dont shed, poop less, and are healthier. LMFAO.
I had always read that the poodes’ fur was cut so that it was now getting tandled up in weeds and briars and stuff.
Actually Ruffian is right. At least for the contenental or lion clip. Funniest thing about that is poodles aren’t French they are German. Most functional clips will help with briars and weeds.
Call me crazy, but I do not really mind designer dog breeders. As long as they are responsible about it (educate buyers, breed safely, do health/temperament checks, take back unwanted animals, etc, etc..). Sure, there are plenty of mixed breeds in shelters that need homes, but there are also plenty of good purebreds in those shelters needing homes (I think something like 25% of shelter dogs are purebreds?). People get hybrids for novelty, but so do purebred buyers. A responsible hybrid breeder doesn’t add to the shelter population any more than a responsible purebred breeder does, and neither one breeds for any other reason (usually) than to produce dogs for novelty (as pets or as show animals–and yes, both are novelty because few people would die if they didn’t have a pet dog or didn’t have show dogs). I mean, really.. What is worse, a breeder who sells purebred AKC pups to anyone with money and breeds as many as he possibly can with no regard to the dogs’ health or temperment, or a breeder of mixed breed dogs who only produces two or three litters a year, screens potential buyers, and does health/temperment checks on his dogs and whatever else he can think of to ensure that they get a good home and stay there?
Saddly, most mixed breeds these days are fads. Consider the puggle. (Pug/Beagle) They are so popular that there are waiting lists for them. And they cost at least the same or more than a purebreed! They wouldn’t be well bred. The breeders are only in it for the money!
*slinks off*
Oh, BTW, the Japanese poodle/lamb story is a hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/critters/lurkers/poodlesheep.aspAny breeder I would consider reputable dosnt have one litter a year, they have 1 litter every 2-3 years, they breed for themselves, when they want a new show dog.
This is true. My neigbour even though she was a back yard breeder, was responsible. Her huskey had two (maybe three) litters in her life. Unlike one of my customers whose yorkie poo had one litter per year. (Only groomed once a year as well.) (Poor Yoshi 😥 ) That owner was in it for the money. Saddly, some people don’t understand that breeding a mix to a mix dosen’t create a purebred dog. It would now be considered a mutt!
The breeders I am looking do 5 different health tests, on all of their dogs before they are bred and have 5 year health guarantees. All of the dogs they breed have their CKC conformation champion as well as working titles, there is no reason to breed unless the dog has proven it has something to add to the breed. There are enough pets dieing everyday in shelters there is absolutely no reason to breed for them. And while there are a high number of purebreds in shelters I would bet money that at almost every single one can be traced back to a BYB or a puppymill, not a reputable breeder.
I hope you guys don’t mind me butting in.
I never mind when dogs are concerned, I have pretty narrow views, and they will not change as long as society sees them as disposable and we kill 40 million a year for no reason.
Quote:Any breeder I would consider reputable dosnt have one litter a year, they have 1 litter every 2-3 years, they breed for themselves, when they want a new show dog. .
It depends on the size of the dog. For big dogs, 1 litter every 2 or 3 years is fine. For smaller dogs, you can produce more because for small dogs, responsible homes are MUCH easier to come by.
Quote:All of the dogs they breed have their CKC conformation champion as well as working titles, there is no reason to breed unless the dog has proven it has something to add to the breed.
But what does that accomplish in the end? In the end, those dogs are all just pets. Few actually do needed work. And some breeds were desinged JUST to be pets, and never to have ANY other function. Should we kick out all dog breeds that do not have a working purpose, such as hunting or herding or tracking?
Quote:There are enough pets dieing everyday in shelters there is absolutely no reason to breed for them. And while there are a high number of purebreds in shelters I would bet money that at almost every single one can be traced back to a BYB or a puppymill, not a reputable breeder.
That is true for the mixed breeds as well. Whenever you have a dog in a shelter, you know chances are a thousand to one that it did not come from a responsible breeder. My point is simply that if a mixed breed breeder breeds as responsibly as a responsible purebred breeder, then they will not add to the shelter population any more than the reponsible purebred breeders.
A responsible mixed-breed breeder also gives people the option of buying a mixed breed dog with sound health and temperament. Not to bash shelter dogs or anything (I have two) but with shelter dogs there is always the risk of getting a dog with serious health or temperament problems that may not be immediately viseable, and some people just do not want to take that risk.Quote:Saddly, most mixed breeds these days are fads. Consider the puggle. (Pug/Beagle) They are so popular that there are waiting lists for them. And they cost at least the same or more than a purebreed! They wouldn’t be well bred. The breeders are only in it for the money!
Purebreds can also be fads. Purebred breeders (many, if not most) are also in it for the money.
It is impossible to say if 100% of mixed-breed breeders are in it for the money, unless you visit and critique every single one. It is entirely possible for responsible mixed-breed breeders to exist.I beleive in punishing deed, not breed (or mix of breeds). Responsible breeding has to do with HOW you breed, not WHAT you breed. Remember, all dogs are man-made, as are their standards (especially their standards–I mean seriously, why are blue-eyed huskies ok, but blue eyed malamutes not??). Every one started out a mix, and is now deemed “pure” simply for looking and acting relatively similar to others of the same group. The whole idea of “pure breeds” is man-made. In breeding, the health and temperament of your dogs, and the homes they go to, should be of primary concern. It is no different if you are breeding German shepherds, than if you are breeding Yorkie-poos! Rather than condem people for the breed or type or mix of dog they produce, we should concentrate on condeming actions that are irresponsible, such as mass producing dogs, not screening potential homes, and not breeding for health/temperment. In other words, rather than bash people for what type of dog they produce, bash people for how they produce dogs. 🙂
And yes, I do beleive that the entire idea of a “pure-bred dog” is a joke. In places where it is “allowed”, it is perfectly normal to mix in small amounts of one “breed” to strengthen the other “breed”. This is done regularly with Alaskan huskies. Alaskan huskies are basically just mixed-breed mutts bred for one purpose: to run a sled fast. Breeders can add in any breed they want that they think will better their dogs. Belgian shepherd, english pointers, you name it. As long as the dog does its job well, it does not matter what breeds are in it. In the modern world of show dogs though, such practices are tabood because it is somehow thought that be mixing one breed into another, you “contaminate” the breed. lol. Have these people forgotten that their breeds all started out mixes?? Why was it ok to add in new blood from other breeds back then, but not now?? Part of the reason “purebreds” have so much genetic trouble is because once the breed becomes “established”, you are not allowed to add in fresh genetics from other breeds of dog. The new breed is thus effectively isolated for life, cut off. Conditions could not be made any more ripe for the appearance of genetic problems. No line or group of animals should ever be 100% isolated like that.
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