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Aww!! What a cutie! Congrats!
I understand both points, but I’m NEVER having kids so bring on the four legged children I say! As long as everyone can get along I’d have a hundred animals 😀
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry DragonsSerenity wrote:I have a friend on who’s mom had 2 conures, both green but one had a black head. The black headed one was male, the other female. They were in separate cages… The male would SCREAM when he saw anyone… loud and annoying. The female learned how to “talk”… lol
There is nothing like hearing one bird scream and the other to tell it to “Shut Up” over and over again. 😆
That is SOOOO funny! 😆
Cute little bird! 😀
Jennifer wrote:I guess I just don’t understand. What is the difference between saying “I can not longer keep my feathered companion of 8 years that depends on me in every way because there is a new baby on the way,” and saying “I can no longer keep my 8 year old child that depends on me in every way because there is a new baby on the way”? A sun conure poses no health risks; it can’t jump on the baby and hurt it. If the baby has allergies that is one thing, and I can understand that. But otherwise I am left scratching my head. The complaint of ‘too noisy/too messy/not enough time’ doesn’t fly with me; again I can only make the point that an 8 year old child would be just as messy/noisy and probably more time consuming.
This is why I can never be a parent. 😆
I agree with Jennifer, and I have had to give up a dog, although it has been 7 years and I see her all the time since she lives with my best friend. I did not do it for me, I did it for her and my other female dog, they wanted to kill each other. I had both my Shibas when I got pregnant and the thought of getting rid of them because i was having a baby never crossed my mind. The endless excuses I see on my local forum are mindo boggling, like the ones giving away an 11 year old pom becaus ethey cant bear to see her die WTF is about. Or the lady who gave away a 5 month old pup because she was due in a week, um by my math she was about 6 months pregnant when she got the dog. Or the people giving away thier dog because it is alot of work, gee who knew. I am that crazy dog lady, I dont agree with breeding unless you dog has a Championship, and working titles if possible, and ALL of its needed health clearances for its breed. I am also against pet stores that sell dogs and cats, and dont think that certain fish and reptiles should be sold either.
I applaude people who do rescue for those who didnt take the time to think out their actions.
Oh, I know for a fact that I am a genuine, certified Crazy Bird Lady. 😆
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My art: featherdust.comI sort of agree with the two people giving two completely different viewpoint, one who was defending the person giving up the bird, the other is Jennifer.
Let me explain (you know, how can I be on both sides of the fence at the same time).
Children can be and some are allergic to birds. And in that case, I would give up the animal. But I would wait until the child was born and was actually getting symptoms of being allergic before I did so. Also, there may have been concerns for the child’s safety. Birds do bite! Just ask the hole in my finger. And kids often don’t know boundaries, so they may relentlessly tease the bird and the bird may bite to get the kid to stop. Also young children can really hurt birds if left alone with them. Same with cats, dogs, whatever, and both of those animals can and will teach the kid a lesson. My parents cats at least waited until we were 3 before telling us no (with claws).
Now for the flipside. If you were planning on having children, and you know you can’t have the child and the pet at the same time (for reasons above) then you shouldn’t get a pet that can live up to 20 years. Get something like a mouse that usually doesn’t live past 5 in captivity. If you are going to get a pet that lives for a long time, then you should be prepared to take care of it until the day it dies. Or at least have someone you know will take it in certain circumstances (hard to take care of a pet with a broken leg if no one else lives with you). But after those circumstances pass, you should take the pet back. It is ‘your’ pet after all. I got my cat knowing full well she will live another 15-20 years in my care, and I hope she has a happy 15-20 years with me (hopefully the 20 :D). I would never give her up unless I HAD TO – ie, kid was severely allergic or something. And then I wouldn’t give her up unless I knew she was the cause.
Pets are kids. Kids are kids. You shouldn’t adopt the pet unless you know you can take care of them their whole lives, but I do understand that there are circumstances where you just – can’t keep the animal… at least this person did the right thing, and found a good owner for her bird, rather then dropping him off at a shelter, where he would probably die (all animals have abandonment issues to a degree).
Dragon pointed out both sides of the issue very well.
It seems to me that many people don’t research the bird(s) before they adopt/buy them. Birds need a lot of love, attention and care (esp. the larger birds). They have long life spans and many of them don’t adapt well to new families/environments.
We bought a Gold Capped Conure form a “friend” (I use the term quite loosely) that owned a pet shop. He was beautiful and sly…he would act so nice and then give you a bite for no reason. His favorite word was a$$hole. Lord knows what his previous owners did to him, but we had to give him up. He went to a bird store whose owner made the decision to give him to a breeder. He is much happier now ( we inquired about him a couple of times).
We now have a Green-Cheeked Conure and he is the sweetest thing!
Birds rarely bite without reason– its just that, unlike mammals that we usually understand (cats and dogs, and other people..!) their body language is very alien, and it often takes a lot of detective work to figure out what the bird is trying to tell you. 🙂
I’ve helped several individuals who were having a problem with their parrots biting. It is very common for someone to think that their bird is biting without warning or for no reason. Often, it’s not what you are doing… it’s what you are not doing. A parrot quickly learns that a bite means that you pay attention (even if it is just to scold them or say “ow!”). There are almost endless reasons, from “You stopped petting me, pay attention!” to “You are paying attention to the (TV/husband/cat/child) and not me, I don’t like that!” to “I’m tired of sitting here, let’s DO something!”. 😆 They are very complex, and cannot tell you things the way our other pets do, and often a bite gets the biggest reaction from the owners, so a bite is what happens.
In most cases, when we pinpointed what was causing the nip, the owner’s eyes went wide and they say “ooh, I never thought of that!”. That’s the trick with birds… they operate so differently that what we are used to, in terms of behavior, that it’s hard to get into their little brains and figure out what is going on.
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My art: featherdust.comDragon87 wrote:I sort of agree with the two people giving two completely different viewpoint, one who was defending the person giving up the bird, the other is Jennifer.
Let me explain (you know, how can I be on both sides of the fence at the same time).
Children can be and some are allergic to birds. And in that case, I would give up the animal. But I would wait until the child was born and was actually getting symptoms of being allergic before I did so. Also, there may have been concerns for the child’s safety. Birds do bite! Just ask the hole in my finger. And kids often don’t know boundaries, so they may relentlessly tease the bird and the bird may bite to get the kid to stop. Also young children can really hurt birds if left alone with them. Same with cats, dogs, whatever, and both of those animals can and will teach the kid a lesson. My parents cats at least waited until we were 3 before telling us no (with claws).
Now for the flipside. If you were planning on having children, and you know you can’t have the child and the pet at the same time (for reasons above) then you shouldn’t get a pet that can live up to 20 years. Get something like a mouse that usually doesn’t live past 5 in captivity. If you are going to get a pet that lives for a long time, then you should be prepared to take care of it until the day it dies. Or at least have someone you know will take it in certain circumstances (hard to take care of a pet with a broken leg if no one else lives with you). But after those circumstances pass, you should take the pet back. It is ‘your’ pet after all. I got my cat knowing full well she will live another 15-20 years in my care, and I hope she has a happy 15-20 years with me (hopefully the 20 :D). I would never give her up unless I HAD TO – ie, kid was severely allergic or something. And then I wouldn’t give her up unless I knew she was the cause.
Pets are kids. Kids are kids. You shouldn’t adopt the pet unless you know you can take care of them their whole lives, but I do understand that there are circumstances where you just – can’t keep the animal… at least this person did the right thing, and found a good owner for her bird, rather then dropping him off at a shelter, where he would probably die (all animals have abandonment issues to a degree).
Agreed, 100%.
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My art: featherdust.comJennifer wrote:Birds rarely bite without reason– its just that, unlike mammals that we usually understand (cats and dogs, and other people..!) their body language is very alien, and it often takes a lot of detective work to figure out what the bird is trying to tell you. 🙂
I’ve helped several individuals who were having a problem with their parrots biting. It is very common for someone to think that their bird is biting without warning or for no reason. Often, it’s not what you are doing… it’s what you are not doing. A parrot quickly learns that a bite means that you pay attention (even if it is just to scold them or say “ow!”). There are almost endless reasons, from “You stopped petting me, pay attention!” to “You are paying attention to the (TV/husband/cat/child) and not me, I don’t like that!” to “I’m tired of sitting here, let’s DO something!”. 😆 They are very complex, and cannot tell you things the way our other pets do, and often a bite gets the biggest reaction from the owners, so a bite is what happens.
In most cases, when we pinpointed what was causing the nip, the owner’s eyes went wide and they say “ooh, I never thought of that!”. That’s the trick with birds… they operate so differently that what we are used to, in terms of behavior, that it’s hard to get into their little brains and figure out what is going on.
I agree. I guess that post made it sound like he bit a couple of times and we dumped him. Actually, my husband tried to work with him for months. He did tons of research. My husband doesn’t accept defeat well, but he finally decided we didn’t have the right environment or whatever to make the bird happy. The second pet store owner also had personal birds and he tried to work with him, too, without success. Maybe whatever the first owners did to him turned him aside from people. 🙁 If I had known you at the time, we would have made a road trip and brought him to you. Maybe all it would have taken was the “right” person.
Jennifer wrote:I guess I just don’t understand. What is the difference between saying “I can not longer keep my feathered companion of 8 years that depends on me in every way because there is a new baby on the way,” and saying “I can no longer keep my 8 year old child that depends on me in every way because there is a new baby on the way”? A sun conure poses no health risks; it can’t jump on the baby and hurt it. If the baby has allergies that is one thing, and I can understand that. But otherwise I am left scratching my head. The complaint of ‘too noisy/too messy/not enough time’ doesn’t fly with me; again I can only make the point that an 8 year old child would be just as messy/noisy and probably more time consuming.
This is why I can never be a parent. 😆
My docs have always told me birds were a no no for any one with a respritory aliment, so maybe that is the case ,if the child was born with a respertory disease . PD found a coctiel one time outside and my docs said to find it a new home because the chances of it giving me more breathing complications were really high. But just getting rid of an animal to get rid of it im not a fan of
lamortefille wrote:I agree. I guess that post made it sound like he bit a couple of times and we dumped him. Actually, my husband tried to work with him for months. He did tons of research. My husband doesn’t accept defeat well, but he finally decided we didn’t have the right environment or whatever to make the bird happy. The second pet store owner also had personal birds and he tried to work with him, too, without success. Maybe whatever the first owners did to him turned him aside from people. 🙁 If I had known you at the time, we would have made a road trip and brought him to you. Maybe all it would have taken was the “right” person.
Oh!! No worries, that wasn’t directed at you at all. I just saw people post several times about birds biting. Other than the noise it is one of the biggest complaints people have about their parrots– in general, worldwide. I know you did everything you could for your feathered buddy. 🙂
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My art: featherdust.comJennifer wrote:lamortefille wrote:I agree. I guess that post made it sound like he bit a couple of times and we dumped him. Actually, my husband tried to work with him for months. He did tons of research. My husband doesn’t accept defeat well, but he finally decided we didn’t have the right environment or whatever to make the bird happy. The second pet store owner also had personal birds and he tried to work with him, too, without success. Maybe whatever the first owners did to him turned him aside from people. 🙁 If I had known you at the time, we would have made a road trip and brought him to you. Maybe all it would have taken was the “right” person.
Oh!! No worries, that wasn’t directed at you at all. I just saw people post several times about birds biting. Other than the noise it is one of the biggest complaints people have about their parrots– in general, worldwide. I know you did everything you could for your feathered buddy. 🙂
Mine was because of what my friend told me, his bird fluffs up when it’s happy. He neglected to mention that this was only with him, with everyone else it means, “I don’t like you. Get away or I’ll bite”. He told me this AFTER the bird bit me. *sigh* 🙄
The newest member of your family is very cute, enchantments! 😀
Dragon87 wrote:All I will say is I hate my friends conure (green conure) I was near his cage and he bit me. I wasn’t teasing him, I swear… that made a nice hole in my finger though. 🙄
But apparently that same bird is all lovey with his owner, I was just a new person I think. I probably deserved it.
I feel your pain. My sister’s blue-crowned conure is very jealous, so he basically bites anyone that my sister gives attention too. Which usually is me. That bird is evil 👿 😆But then I had a green conure for 10 years (recently passed) who didn’t discriminate against who he bit. 😆 But I didn’t get him until he was already 25 and it was pretty obvious he hadn’t ever been handled previously.
LOL Don’t worry Nam I’m a crazy bird lady too! It’s prefect because my husband loves birds as much as I do (he had an African Grey when we met) & now we have 22 birds! Most are rescued or my breeding birds.
Sadly I wish I could say this person gave me Phoenix for a good reason but she was crazy, she spends all her time playing WoW and has a 6 moth old baby that she doesn’t take care or. The conure was in a dirty cramped cage with cheap wal-mart seed only food and 1 perch and 1 toy! Very happy that she gave me the bird, he’s now in a new large cage with tons of toys, I’ve gotten him on a pellet diet and health fruits and veggies (which he had never had before) and he’s so sweet.
I agree with the allergie thing, that if the bird is a health risk that it might be better to get ride of them. I had a friend that ended up with Bird Keepers Lung (worked with poultry) but had to give up her pet birds 🙁 I think I would die if I had to give up my birds!
We can’t have kids so the birds are the next best thing (I think better)
I always hate when people give up birds for reasons like “they scream” or “they are too messy” WTF that’s a bird. I could go on and on having rescued exotics for over 10 years now but I’ll stop before I start ranting LOL
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