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Personally, I’ve gotten a lot of beef for my personal views on what folks do with animals. I think, to keep it short, if you kill it quick, then more power to you for using it all. The Indians ate the meat, used the tongues for hair brushes, the whole deal. And that is *great*.
However…anyone who skins them alive…ought to get the same done to them. I’m not a “tree hugger” at all, but I adore my dog, and my cat, and all (ok, most, got a probelm with possums) of God’s creatures. We are put here on this earth to protect, and take care of, this earth. Animals are part of the earth. I am sad when one of my spider plants dies (for the life of me, I can’t keep spider plants alive. all the hard and rare ones do fine, but the spider babys die). We are supposed to live in harmony with life, and YES, I think it’s great eating cow, chicken, fish(mmm…..yummy). But, there is no NEED to skin them alive. that shows me that those people are truely a few screws loose. Those poor animals.
I signed it, and I’m going to look for more to sign, too.
While the video may not represent every slaughter house in the fur industry, this sort of thing IS prevelant. It’s prevalent in the food industry, too, though at least those animals get to die quicker than those that are skinned. Humane killing methods = extra production costs, and many many producers cut corners.
While the standards in the US are better than those in China, we trade with China. We endorse their methods when we buy their fur."He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom."
-J R R TolkienArlla wrote:I signed it, and I’m going to look for more to sign, too.
While the video may not represent every slaughter house in the fur industry, this sort of thing IS prevelant. It’s prevalent in the food industry, too, though at least those animals get to die quicker than those that are skinned. Humane killing methods = extra production costs, and many many producers cut corners.
While the standards in the US are better than those in China, we trade with China. We endorse their methods when we buy their fur.Well said Arlla.
I didn’t mean to cause harm with ths post. Not at all. I eat meat myself. I love my beef, but I also do what I can to prevent unnecessary torture to animals. Do you know what they do to make veal so tender? or how the make meat “kosher”? It’s awful.
The petition pretty much just says killing exclusively “for fur” is wrong. Which though to some may seem narrow minded but in this millenium I still think something manmade can be just s nice and actually cost less.
I know it’s a reality, and as much as I try, in the grand scheme of things I may not make any difference. I don’t so much think wearing fur is “wrong” if it’s for a useful purpose, but seriously, do you know how MANY mink it takes to make a coat? Or even a full lenth one? HUNDREDS! That’s alot of animals to “humanely” slaughter for one piece of fashion apparel. Then think of the hundereds of coats that a single manufacturer will produce in a month. It’s not cost effective for companies to humanely kill any creatures when they are sold in that manner and that’s what the petition is about. Cruelty. I also don’t think anybody ever bought a leopard skin to “stay warm”
and yes Dracomancer, it WAS the raccoon dogs. Even though it may have been the worst of the worst as someone stated, cruelty is cruelty and I react the same way when I see people who abuse their pets or any other creature.
I had to go to court as a witness about 6-7 years back when I was in traffic and saw a woman rear ended some guy. He then got out of his car and was so enraged he whipped her dog out of her passenger seat and threw it into oncoming traffic.
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Then I will have huge respect for you, even if I don’t agree that one shouldn’t kill animals for human benefit myself.
That’s my take on it. What they do to your leather cow is just as bad as what they do to your fur mink, and what they do to your meat pig may well be even worse.
If you’re against fur just because it’s the cute cuddly animals dying horribly, and you don’t care if it’s a big dumb cow or a fat ugly pig dying like that, well… maybe you should reconsider why you’re against fur?
(I’m probably going to get lynched for this… please know that I do not mean it personally. But being around the furry community, I get this sort of petition going past a lot, and every time it seems to be with the “don’t kill the cute animals” spin on it. )
I was waiting for this and I actually agree with you completely SPark. I’m against all cruelty, but I also realize people (humans) are omnivores. Animals die horribly out in the real world by other animals to survive or mating reasons. (ex. other male lions killing other rival males cubs, stuff like that.)
It’s life and I know that. The world is a cruel place, but some things are just bordering a fine line of a complete loss of humanity.
I always thought the “dolphin safe tuna” was stupid. Though I love dophins and obviously am glad they take percautions now to try not harm them, they’re just as alive as the tuna fish are aren’t they? If they’re for eating, I’m normally not AS annoyed about it, but I do recognize it.
Like I said, it’s the torture. If something has to be tortured to be eaten, well, I’m just as against that as I am for the fur industries. I’ve been to slaughter houses and no mater what it’s awful, but it’s nature I guess. In a twisted sort of sense.
The cows and pigs are AT LEAST (hopefully) not strug upside down and skinned alive and left flailing around like seizuring meat sacks before they eventually bleed to death. If that’s the case then we live in an even sadder world then I thought. *sorry to be so graphic*
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry DragonsMight I point out the other difference between meat animals and fur animals is sometimes whether or not they’re endangered. Remember snow leopards, tigers and other endangered big cats are part of the illegal fur trade.
I know, I was just trying to make a point. I doubt people wear mink out of necessity either. *sigh*
I didn’t want to rile people up. I just thought it was a good cause.
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry Dragonsdrag0nfeathers wrote:I know, I was just trying to make a point. I doubt people wear mink out of necessity either. *sigh*
I didn’t want to rile people up. I just thought it was a good cause.
Any topic like this is bound to cause some degree of debate, regardless of your intention. 😉
I agree with SPark to a certain extent, though.
drag0nfeathers wrote:I know, I was just trying to make a point. I doubt people wear mink out of necessity either. *sigh*
I didn’t want to rile people up. I just thought it was a good cause.
I think it is. This is a controversial subject so its not surprising that there are a lot of different opinions.Personally, I’m OK with using animals for essential purposes (e.g., food) as long as they’re raised and killed humanely. But given the known examples of cruel practices in the fur industry, and the fact there are many comparable alternatives, the fur industry is something that I’m opposed to and would never support.
drag0nfeathers wrote:I know, I was just trying to make a point. I doubt people wear mink out of necessity either. *sigh*
I didn’t want to rile people up. I just thought it was a good cause.
Never be discouraged if you believe in something, esp something like this. I don’t think anyone is really riled. I’d probably be more upset if I saw teh vidio too. Sadly, there are always going to be jerks out there who do things that are really terribly awful. We can only hope they get their due. In this life or the next 😈
Hi drag0nfeathers,
I just viewed part of the video in question and I don’t know how you managed to force yourself to watch it to the end. 😯 I was appaled at what I saw!
👿 I can’t believe people do this to those defenceless animals!
I will admit to having some coyote furs. Now I don’t think I will ever look at them the same way.
I have two cats at home and I viewed that video about the cat and dog fur trade and seen the look in the eyes of one of the caged cats…well that undid me, I just crumbled to the floor 😥 . I wish I could have had the power to go there and save them all.
So the only help I can do his sign the petition and never give those 👿 men support in anyway.Petition was signed as of this moment with the following comment:
‘I am appaled at the video I just seen on line of people’s crualty at those defenceless animals. This should be stopped and banned with tougher laws. These days we don’t need furs. It makes me wonder how these guys would feel about being treated the same way and skinned alive themselves.’Please ignore the ignorance of someone who doesn’t buy furs(personally, just not my thing).
They use CATS? I guess I just always thought it was other things. Like fox? Or rabbits? i donno. I really don’t know what they make coats out of. I always thought using deer made sense. Goodness knows, lots of deer pelts get thrown away.
Anyway. I didn’t know they use cats??
Blackdesertwind wrote:Hi drag0nfeathers,
I just viewed part of the video in question and I don’t know how you managed to force yourself to watch it to the end. 😯 I was appaled at what I saw!
👿 I can’t believe people do this to those defenceless animals!
I will admit to having some coyote furs. Now I don’t think I will ever look at them the same way.
I have two cats at home and I viewed that video about the cat and dog fur trade and seen the look in the eyes of one of the caged cats…well that undid me, I just crumbled to the floor 😥 . I wish I could have had the power to go there and save them all.
So the only help I can do his sign the petition and never give those 👿 men support in anyway.Petition was signed as of this moment with the following comment:
‘I am appaled at the video I just seen on line of people’s crualty at those defenceless animals. This should be stopped and banned with tougher laws. These days we don’t need furs. It makes me wonder how these guys would feel about being treated the same way and skinned alive themselves.’I’m sorry you watched it, but now you can kind of understand where I got a bit emotional after seeing it. I didn’t really think there would be a contraversy over it, but now that’s I’ve cooled off a bit and it’s sunk in I know I may have sounded pushy. I’m glad you feel the same as I do though, BlackDesertWind. I know I’m not the only one who was on the verge of a breakdown when I watched it. Now I can’t even look at the 2 tails I have. I got them at a PowWow so I’m hoping they were at least just remains from something that was at least killed first, then eaten and skinned later. I still can’t even look at them though, not for a while. I wish I could track these people down and make them go through what they did to those poor animals. I can’t even imagine what it must be like. I can’t think of anything more gruesome or painful. I’d rather be eaten by sharks.
and yes, there are cat coats, and even dog coats and other products too
http://www.voice4dogs.org/howfurisused.htm
(don’t worry, there are no bad pictures or anything.)
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry DragonsHate to be a stick in the mud here. But I had to throw in my two cents.
I did not sign that petition, because I want to know exactly who is endorsing it, and who it was written by. As of right now, I have neither the time for energy to look it up. If that bill is endorsed by PETA, ALF, or any other animal rights extremists, I will not support it at all – regardless of the content. Until I stand corrected, I am going to assume that this is yet another bill by animal rights activists. I have amassed a great deal of justified anger at these people after living at an institution that was on the sh*t-list of many said groups due to the collection of student animals.
Now. To the act of killing and skinning animals. This is a barbaric, and bloody process, hands down. Guess what? This same bloody practice is used to butcher your meat if you purchase it from a store.
In my opinion, if you aren’t willing to go clobber Bessie over the head, or twist a chickens neck until it is dead, then you have no right putting it in your mouth, or taking it’s skin. Such matters of life and death are taken for granted to a sickening degree – all you see are the neatly packaged pieces of meat in your supermarket, or the lovely fur coats for sale in clothes stores. This is not to say that I disapprove of meat or fur, but you had damn well better be willing to take the responsibility of that animals life into your hands, and think about what you do. If I ever own a fur coat, it will be from animals I have had to trap, skin, and gut myself. As it is, I had a chicken for dinner tonight that I killed myself not two hours before it got chopped up, and roasted in the oven.
Responsibility for stuff like this starts right at home. Think about what you put in your mouth, and what you wear. If you aren’t willing to take the responsibility, then do not eat it, or wear it.
Just my two cents.
drag0nfeathers wrote:I can understand that GB…though generalized or not fur industries don’t waste the money on a bullet for these creatures. They are skined alive! If you want to buy pelts from Native Americans who actually eat what they kill or leather from cows that are proessed we then eat then I have no problem. (Well, I have alot of problems, but that’s how the world works unfortunately)
At least (for the most part) those animals die quickly and or/humanely and that’s life I guess. That’s also another reason why I don’t eat veal or any kosher meat.
For animals to be massacared and living, breathing carcasses piled like a war scene is brutal and unnecessary is all I’m saying. I, myself, own a fox tail and a raccoon tail, which I hope and pray weren’t from some kind of brutal scene like I saw today. Now I feel sick even saying I own such things, but I do. So your not alone there. I may sound like a hypocrite, but just the terrible and brutal ways fur manufacturers obtain their merchandise is diplorable. Let them charge an extra dollar a coat (since that are already tens of thousands of dollars) and shoot the poor things if they have to. Beating them, chopping off their paws and noses, ripping their skin off and letting them slowly rot away in piles is unforgivable. I hope the people who work in this businesses have slow and agonizing deaths themselves.
Myself, peronally, think they have had major breakthroughs with faux fur and there are tons of different furs that are fake and feel just as real.
Sorry if I offended anyone with this rant, but I don’t think I sound that unreasonable. It’s just my opinion, so please don’t get upset.
You are being absolutely reasonable and I agree completely with you. My fur coat is an heirloom, bought by Oma, passed to Mom and given to me. The minks were raised on a farm where they lived as if in the wild, and they were killed quickly and painlessly for their fur. I would never buy a pelt from a place that tortures the animals.
And Zorse, you made a very good point.
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