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Way to go, Cheryl! Thats what I would suggest. I figure HR is a civilian form on EO? I hope you work things out, Nirvana. I would def make an issue of it, though. Your sense of justice would never let you live it down if you bowed out.
Well first of all I would have to ask you how much do you like this dime a dozen job? That would just be to figure out if you wanted to stay with them. I would BOTH try to transfer to another store in a less hostile environment AND since things do not sound like they will change in your current store and after you switch I would use the switch in HR to PROVE that it was such a hostile you had no choice but to transfer to anohter store in the area.
I wouls also document EVEYWAY hey try to create issues for you.
I wish I had done that at my last job since I heard so MANY anti gay comments there
I wish you the best of luck hereDM and several others made a really good point – document EVERYTHING. I’ve heard multiple stories where that made all the difference.
I love you guys so much! I really appreciate all the feedback, suggestions, comments and support that everyone has given. I am currently writing something up for when I call HR. I do intent to either transfer or quit, as staying at this location in unnacceptable, and I will be sure to make that VERY clear to HR.
Mimi, unfortunately the “yelling match” happened after hours at about 10pm. That is another thing to bring up, that as the only woman working nights, it is an uncomfortable and now threatening situation to close the store with either “J” or this manager, as there are usualy only 2 people closing.
Ddvm, I really appreciate you voicing your impression of me. Underneath I don’t always feel or believe it, and sometimes it takes someone else to give me a swift kick in the a$$….(Louis is really good at this LoL)
Once again, thank you all, I will keep you posted, and ask for more help if need be.
~Cat
Edit: I forgot the color 😯 Got so emo that I forgot to put it in color LoL
Yep, I would have to agree with everyone else. HR, document everything, make sure this person quits or gets fired and then transfer. At least that way, you will make it better for the next person that comes along. 🙂
I hope everything goes well when you discuss with HR! I think either transferring of quitting is definitely the right decision.
And I think what Cheryl said is very true — if HR thinks there’s reason to believe that they might get into legal trouble, they’ll be that much more cooperative. So play that angle to the hilt. 😈
Let us know what happens!
How is it going, Cat? Did you talk to HR? Did your manager’s car mysteriously disappear into a sink hole? Do we need to rain Windstone Forum wrath on his posterior?
I *think* HR tried to call me yesterday, but I was out all day with a migraine…..I had a nice long chat with my assistant manager on Fri. He seems like a pretty down to earth guy and said that if I stuck it out a bit longer he would personaly try to get the materials to get me/us trained. He also said that he didn’t think the new guy would last very long and if that was the case I could expect my hours to go back up…..I’ll let you know more after I talk to HR. Thanks for checking up on me =P
Nirvanacat13 wrote:I *think* HR tried to call me yesterday, but I was out all day with a migraine…..I had a nice long chat with my assistant manager on Fri. He seems like a pretty down to earth guy and said that if I stuck it out a bit longer he would personaly try to get the materials to get me/us trained. He also said that he didn’t think the new guy would last very long and if that was the case I could expect my hours to go back up…..I’ll let you know more after I talk to HR. Thanks for checking up on me =P
Migraines suck. Do you get those often? Hopefully the new guy wont stay long if you decided to stay there. At least you might have a nice assistant manager and hopefully he will stay like that.
Yah, I get migraines about 3 times a week on average….mostly at night though, so if I can get to sleep I can sleep through them….Yesterday sucked though, it was a bad one and I had my first Math test….I think I did alright? Meh
Hopefully the AM will be cool about it, but I’m warry because he used to work with my GM at another job. I could spell trouble, but the AM is older and thinks that my GM is immature and “has a bit of learning to do as a manager” so….we’ll see.
Nirvanacat13 wrote:Yah, I get migraines about 3 times a week on average….mostly at night though, so if I can get to sleep I can sleep through them….Yesterday sucked though, it was a bad one and I had my first Math test….I think I did alright? Meh
Hopefully the AM will be cool about it, but I’m warry because he used to work with my GM at another job. I could spell trouble, but the AM is older and thinks that my GM is immature and “has a bit of learning to do as a manager” so….we’ll see.
Well I feel really bad about the migraines. Hopefully the AM means what he says and isn’t just saying it. If he puts those words into actions then you will know that he meant it.So I talked to HR yesterday (Thurs) for about 40 min trying to explain everything and keep the story straight…..And now I have this really sick feeling in my stomach about the whole thing…Am I doing the right thing? Should I have just bit my tongue and just done what was asked of me instead of pushing the issue? I seem to get into these situations over and over again, where I feel wronged or mistreated, try to do the right thing, and end up getting bitten in the ass by it… I’m really starting to feel there is something really wrong with me. This sort of thing happened twice in the military, at my last job at Barnes and Noble, and now this….I apparently don’t know when to just keep my mouth shut and do my job. Anyway, here is most of what I talked with HR about, she asked me to outline it and fax it to her. Please let me know if it’s ok, or if there is a better way of phrasing something…..Anything, help, please, I’m really really hurting on this one and it’s taking it’s toll.
Catherine Christoph
Aaron Brothers employee store #21 Irvine, CA
Currently part time employee
Originally hired on as Seasonal, kept on as P/TTimeline:
Hired: 12/05/06
Ramin officially transferred
Zack in training in TX
Zack officially takes over
Training/information meeting with entire staff 02/18/07
Incident with John 02/19/07Training:
Was told upon hiring that there was OJT, and tests that I could complete for an increase in salary, and that I should complete training within the month.
Was told by Ramin that my training materials had been ordered within second week of employment, and they would be available before the first of 2007.
To date training materials are not present, and I have not been properly trained.
I was told that I could input the information into the FrameMagic system for practice, but I could not complete the order because my initials were not in the system. Another employee would at that time check my work, explain any corrections and complete the order.
At this time I am not allowed to input ANY information into the system. The reasoning explained to me was that orders were being messed up because I inputted information incorrectly and the other employees weren’t correctly trained, so didn’t catch the mistakes.
I have asked Zack repeatedly since he became the GM about when “the other employees and I would be “correctly” trained so that we could be more productive.”
I have not gotten a straight answer from Zack. He seems to brush me off with comments like “Don’t worry about it, you’ll get trained eventually”, “It will be soon”, “I don’t have time to talk to you about it right now.” When I would ask for a timeframe he would either not answer or tell me to go do some work.
It was mentioned in the meeting on Sun 02/18/07 that “sometime” in the future the part time employees would get the training booklets for Frame magic, but Zack didn’t know when exactly that would be.Zack:
There is an obvious tension between myself and Zack. This has been observed by other employees. One even stated that from his observations “I don’t think Zack likes you very much. I don’t know why, but there is definitely something there.” The cause of this is unknown, whether it is because I am a young female, or for other more personal reasons.
Shortly after Zack returned from manager training in TX, one of our employees quit after his hours had been decreased. I worked a closing shift with Zack a few days later, and he said to me “I’m surprised it took “B” so long to quit, I was cutting his hours so that he would quit. Mind you, if a manager ever starts cutting your hours and giving them to someone else, that’s a sure fire way to tell that they want you to quit” As soon as Zack found someone to hire, my hours went from 20 to 8, and the new employee (another male) was given 20 hours for his first week. This was for the week ending 3/03/07. On the schedule for the week ending 3/10/07 I am currently scheduled for 8 hours while the new employee is scheduled for 20 hours.
Zack keeps stating repeatedly that “This is at will employment; I can terminate you whenever I want for whatever reason I want. I don’t even have to have a reason.” The manner and frequency of this comment seems like a threat and intimidation.
I am uncomfortable talking to Zack because when trying to discuss work related issues I have not been given the courtesy of his full attention, seriousness, or I have been brushed off with non-committal answers.
At the meeting on Sun 02/18/07 I was the only female of seven employees present. (The framer, who is also female, is retiring shortly and was not at the meeting). Zack made an off hand comment as to keeping the break room clean. He said; “You can all go back and screw each other back there as long as it’s kept clean” I caught his attention, made eye contact and said “That wasn’t a cool thing to say.” His facial expression showed me that he heard and understood. I don’t know if any of the other employees heard me as they were laughing at the comment, and I said it at conversational volume.Sorry it’s long….
Wow… what can I say except that this ‘Zack’ person’s attitude and behaviour is appalling. As a person, never mind a manager…
I’m sorry I don’t have much advice to give you. Maybe it’s not so much something ‘wrong’ with you, but that you keep ending up with these kinds of people. What you wrote here is pretty polite considering the circumstances.
Try and hang in there. And keep us informed!
I think it is good to get it out in the open. It will prevent him from doing it to other people. Maybe they should recommend him taking a manager class so he will learn how to treat other people and mange them correctly. I think what you wrote is fine. I am guessing it is the truth, and I think that is what matters the most.
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