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purpledoggy wrote:
I can’t believe that some of you are getting so mad at windstone. They are just trying to protect the small business that they have. They have said on here before that they do not like repaints on production pieces hence why they have the pyo line. Purplecat does some beautiful work but we all know that windstone does not approve of us repainting non pyo pieces no matter what our intentions. So windstone wants Purplecat to stop doing repaints, thats fine but why does she have to stop painting? Paint some pyo’s that is what they are for. I can understand where both sides are coming from. I can see how Melody or windstone could be upset about production repaints. It is artwork and I know I would be upset if someone took my work and changed it from the way I had envisioned it no matter the intension (yes I’ve had this happen). You can’t do something the artist already told you they didn’t like and expect it to be ok even if you mean no harm. I’m not attacking Purplecat but I’m posting this for some of you who think windstone is being a bully. Think if it was your business and your artwork. If you’ve already stated you don’t want your work altered because in the end it hurts your business you have to draw the line even if it hurts someone’s feelings. If you let one person get away with it then think of all the others that will follow suit. I really hope whole situation does not discourage Purplecat from continuing to paint since she really is a wonderful artist.
Look…there’s been enough butt-chewing here, we’ve got better things to do and I feel bad enough already. Regarding your earlier post, of course my feelings were hurt, I was doing something I was actually good at and it came back and bit me in the butt because someone complained. The complaint had nothing to do with my selling on ebay but my posts here and a repaint that wasn’t for sale. There won’t be any more except for my collection and pyo’s and I’d just like to put this to rest. Thank you . My whole point was to simply inform that I couldn’t do them any more on risk of penalty and I didn’t want to start a fight. If this thread could be locked I’d appreciate it.
We’ve fought over this before. People end up arguing every time this kind of thing comes up. *shrugs* It’s not your fault, purplecat.
Nirvanacat13 wrote:skigod377 wrote:I know they dont approve and I know their reasons…Its just sad… the quality of Melodys work and the quality/coolness of PCs paint jobs just seemed like a perfect match. 🙁 Fill out an App at Windstone, PC. 🙂 I would love to see your pink dragons become production.[/quote]
ROFLMAO Ski, you could invade Iraq with the army of those that you would buy 😉 😈
Good we can then get our troops home where they belong!!!One last comment…guys…we’re forgetting something…the large PYO dragon will be coming out soon, that one is the one that will let Purplecat really shine! And we can get her to paint for us!
So all is not lost.
Hang in there.
Kyrin
Kyrin wrote:One last comment…guys…we’re forgetting something…the large PYO dragon will be coming out soon, that one is the one that will let Purplecat really shine! And we can get her to paint for us!
So all is not lost.
Hang in there.
Kyrin
Indeed! 😀
purplecat wrote:With the trouble stirred up by my work and the bad feelings I may have caused I doubt they’d ever touch me with a ten foot pole…ack.
Not to worry, we have a twelve foot pole. It’s called the Windstone forum and I’m continually impressed and amazed by you guys. I mean to say you could all argue the leg off a marble statue of Justice! At the least you have, within six pages, gnawed enough off to balance her scales to the point that I’m left with only a few scraps of misunderstandings and misstatements to clear up.
First, in matters of repaints, I have never told anyone that they cannot repaint a Windstone figurine. In fact I go out of my way to say that that they can do whatever they like with it in accordance with the prevailing laws. But, that does mean you cannot create new artwork that that infringes on another’s property rights and, in this case, as with the PYO pieces or any other artwork, it means not creating anything that is SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR to Windstone artwork.
The crux of a finding of copyright infringement is that the offending artwork is found to be SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR BY A JURY OF PEERS. I feel that within the forum we have a jury of peers so when it is noticed, by me or anyone else that there is work that appears too similar I take a very critical look at it. When more than one person is pointing it out then I have to believe there will be a strong consensus and I act on that.
Making it clear in a sale that the piece has been repainted is no issue here unless the seller was trying to pass off something as a work of Windstone that is not. The issue is copying the look of a Windstone piece and creating substantial similarity. That is an infringement no matter how much notice is given or how it is sold or traded. Keschet’s argument, although I’m sure it is intended to be constructive, is a total red herring.
In regard to the marketing of limited production and artist edition pieces please do realize that in the twenty-two years of Windstone’s existence we have employed, I would guess, well over a hundred artisans who became very skilled in their work and some of them exceptionally so, but we have only employed a few artists. As we stress with everyone who comes to us for employment, or who’s work we have the opportunity to critique, it is originality and the intellect in their creative expression that marks an artist. Although we are often humbled by the talent and skills of a great artisan, and we would all agree the world needs many more of them, it is the artist who breaks the ranks of convention who will be remembered in the end.
The PYOs have created the dilemma for us of betting on a route, or business model if you will, that will hopefully satisfy our objective of promoting the creation of artists within an arena of enjoyment for artisans. For instance, giving license, which we could do, within that arena to create pieces under the umbrella of Windstone copyrights would be a fantastic opportunity for both pleasure and business. Or is it too much counter to the objective of creating a balancing force to the art dumbing effect of the internet plagiarism that we abhor? (I refer to art here in the broader sense, not Windstone per sec). I really don’t know.
That you all put this fascinating community of the Windstone forum first and, in the end, stand up (or roll over, as the case may be) and fight for the whole before the self does leave me in awe. Who woulda thunk. Is it something intrinsic in the powers of art? Or does life just work better when you involve yourself in fantasy? Oh geez, that just made me think of Bush, so I’ll go with the powers of art.
Ok, after reading 6 pages of this I’m not sure what to be more shocked at…the discussion or John saying:
Quote:Who woulda thunk.
For my 2 cents this does look like it can be a sticky issue but it is also a bit of a compliment to Pupple’s artistic ability. Some people are mixing up your jobs with those of Windstone. Which means you are pretty good with that airbrush in my opinion. It also means that you have to be very careful in the future with paint jobs be they more repainted ones or PYOs. Personally, I hope you keep painting as you are very talented and I would hate to think I missed out on a paint job by you.
Also no matter what has been said her or what will be said I believe that this forum is a group of good people who will be here for you to rant, rave, and brag to. We will also be here to bug you for more paint jobs as well. You are too talented for us to let you stop any time soon. I know that I would love to get a PYO painted by you sometime.
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Keplilly wrote:Ok, after reading 6 pages of this I’m not sure what to be more shocked at…the discussion or John saying:
Quote:Who woulda thunk.
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry DragonsI agree that you should still paint PYOs. That’s what they are for. If you want to do that Earth Dragon color on a PYO dragon or Griffin, I would buy it from you.
purplecat wrote:I didn’t have fun money…I’ve done acrylics, oils, sewing, pottery, cake decorating and now airbrushing…this is the first thing I’ve ever done that has actually sold. I’ll be finishing up the pyos I’ve got in my workshop (a total of about 20) and selling them. I may or may not get more, If I sell my airbrush it will be on ebay….the frustration and problems I’ve caused with this were never intended.
Surely you had some spare income if you collected Windstones (even if only a few) before, right? 🙂
Following a creative career path is one of the harder ones to make any money at. I’m sure many of the artists here would readily agree. I’ve been doing this over 10 years now and only last year did I get a job and start making any sort of a living on these. I lived on little more than crackers and ramen noodles now and then for several years. The only thing you can do is keep at it and pushing for the best. Before working with Windstone, I spent well over $400 JUST in promotional materials and trying to market my work, and every single time I was rejected. It would have been much easier for me to persue a technical or office job, and probably get paid better. Doing what you love for a living is hard business. Ask Melody or Snapdragon! 🙂
Those with skill like yours and a strong drive can win in the end though. 😀 Keep at it and you’ll find that the rewards of hard work and originality often justify the means.
Also, to clarify, my ‘huff and puff’ statement was not at all directed at you; I know that the other forum members did get a little upset easily (I understand).
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My art: featherdust.comPurplecat I can understand your frustration and upset after finally finding something that people want to give you money for; that is the dream of many artists who try to make a balance between creating art that interests them and art that sells. I’m sorry things worked out this way but I still think you have a chance to make money doing what you love through painting the PYOs and repairing and restoring the broken Windstones you have. Many people would love a well-restored Windstone, me included!
To be honest, I am not surprised you were told to stop because your airbrush skills really are that good. But as Nam said, you can apply that skill with airbrush to many things! I have a friend who makes her own dragons and creatures in a way completely different from Windstone but she uses her airbrush with similiar skill and sells many creatures every year at conventions and such ^_^ So take heart that you have at least developed skills that will serve you in good stead!
I could put it this way…..If you leave us, we’ll just hunt you down kicking and screaming back to your airbrush and chain you to your work table…….:mrgreen: j/k We love you and hope you stay!!
Nambroth wrote:purplecat wrote:I didn’t have fun money…I’ve done acrylics, oils, sewing, pottery, cake decorating and now airbrushing…this is the first thing I’ve ever done that has actually sold. I’ll be finishing up the pyos I’ve got in my workshop (a total of about 20) and selling them. I may or may not get more, If I sell my airbrush it will be on ebay….the frustration and problems I’ve caused with this were never intended.
Surely you had some spare income if you collected Windstones (even if only a few) before, right? 🙂
Following a creative career path is one of the harder ones to make any money at. I’m sure many of the artists here would readily agree. I’ve been doing this over 10 years now and only last year did I get a job and start making any sort of a living on these. I lived on little more than crackers and ramen noodles now and then for several years. The only thing you can do is keep at it and pushing for the best. Before working with Windstone, I spent well over $400 JUST in promotional materials and trying to market my work, and every single time I was rejected. It would have been much easier for me to persue a technical or office job, and probably get paid better. Doing what you love for a living is hard business. Ask Melody or Snapdragon! 🙂
Those with skill like yours and a strong drive can win in the end though. 😀 Keep at it and you’ll find that the rewards of hard work and originality often justify the means.
Also, to clarify, my ‘huff and puff’ statement was not at all directed at you; I know that the other forum members did get a little upset easily (I understand).
Eh, it’s my fault I suppose….I had very little spending $ as a cake decorator and then I bought my airbrush and decided to stay at home and do these dragons so I’m actually jobless…blech…I enjoy being an at-home-mom but it sure doesn’t allow for spending $$. So no…I have no spending money now…
I will still be here, don’t worry 😀 I was just really frustrated… 😳 and a little grumpy 😳
Well…okay…but what does this ultimately mean for Purplecat?? It wasn’t the repaints that were the problem, it wasn’t her selling them that was the problem…it was her style of painting??? It’s a lot easier to stop painting than it is to change your style.
If you have an airbrush, and you’re painting on a Windstone sculpture….um…is there ANY way to paint it so that it doesn’t resemble official Windstones?? (talking production and PYO pieces here) I mean, besides maybe painting in neon colors or big gaudy stripes or something… Is we going to be in trouble as long as we use an airbrush?"He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom."
-J R R Tolkien
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