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On WetCanvas (which is massive!), we simply locked the threads. This way they remained searchable (by section), the information was still accessible, but it couldn’t be bumped up back to the top.
I highly advise against deleting – no matter how insignifcant the thread seems. You never know when you will need a record of something, such as behavior patterns, obscure comments, etc. Having a record of everything may save you a ton of headache in the future.
And I just sealed a deal with someone whose sale thread was over 3 months old. Having to reenter all the info and pics (which are hosted on another site) is not something I would consider user-friendly.
We simply locked threads when it was deemed too long, outdated, or requested by the user. This way, no one had to go through and lock hundreds of threads that were simply ignored and never bumped.
Just my 2 cents. 🙂
How about if we have listings with descriptions by the seller but no comments by viewers are allowed, and they are taken down at 60 days (or whatever number you want). The sellers can edit their post to add whatever they need to or to mark as sold, but let them field questions by email or PM. ??? People can always yak about stuff somewhere else on the forum. This would make the most sense to me.
When you say “edit,” do you mean using the edit tab on their original posting? That would mean the posting is never bumped up; the items for sale would be listed only once, in the original posting.
Or do you mean the seller can edit their post by making a “reply?” That would mean they are bumping the posting every time they make a change, just as is done now when someone makes a comment.
Edit: I agree with Bayou about not deleting threads.
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You guys know you can mark all the forum topics as “Read” right? Then the next time you come to the Flea Market page there won’t be as many new/updated topics. When people follow the forum rules and don’t excessively bump their threads, there’s really only about 1 new page of posts per week. A lot of us check the forum every day. I usually see about 5-6 topics that are new, or have new comments, per day. It’s pretty manageable. 🙂
How about if we have listings with descriptions by the seller but no comments by viewers are allowed, and they are taken down at 60 days (or whatever number you want). The sellers can edit their post to add whatever they need to or to mark as sold, but let them field questions by email or PM. ??? People can always yak about stuff somewhere else on the forum. This would make the most sense to me.
The problem is that for some reason, PMs sometimes don’t make it to the recipient, so people like to indicate on the thread that they’ve sent a message and if the seller hasn’t received it they can re-send it or use another method (email instead of PM).
I kind of agree with Chris :/ I find it kind of annoying when people jump through and “bump” all the sales threads or all the community threads for no reason than to say “good luck selling” but I think that’s more of an issue of warning the user.
WetCanvas is pretty good, I agree with locking old threads.
Also it seems the issue with the search function might be made better by improving the search function rather than making the threads more relevant? I was trying to find the old christmas swap thread and it was on like page 4, and the threads in between didn’t match my query at all. I’m not sure how you would do this, maybe adding extra search options (like to search only the community section) and making it so the thread title and original post has higher relevancy for keywords. Right now it seems like more recent threads always show up first.
Since the forum is relatively small it’s not a big deal, but always room for improvement right? 🙂
I’m assuming one of these fingers may be pointed at me as I’ve bumped my recent thread with legitimate “conversation” before the 10 day period, but as of late I, myself, have been a bit annoyed with the fact I put something up for sale and then 2 days later it’s on page 2 where it’s not going to be seen because of unnecessary updating or grab bag request threads. Also, it’s true that not being able to update some posts causes some trouble as well.
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Dreamscape, Orion, Poison Dart, Fireberry, Spangler + Tigerberry DragonsI think the 10 day limit is a bit long… but for inactive threads with no new items I get it. Legit conversation or adding a new item I think should trump the 10 day limit.
I don’t mind threads getting bumped up by conversation. It happens. This may be a smaller forum, but we talk a lot here.
It does get bothersome though when someone 1) makes several sales threads which get bumped to the top around the same time when they can obviously put everything in one and 2) when we make a specific thread for things like grab bag unicorns and people make their own threads about them anyway.
The only other odd thing I can think of comes when someone for some reason goes back years and digs up a sales thread that probably isn’t relevant. I abandoned my old sales thread and started a new one when the forum changed formats and the old one wasn’t working as well. If there were a way to delete them after a period of time, that would be useful.
I agree with Dragonfeathers. I am one of the offenders since I bumped my sale thread after posting on the weekend only to find it near the bottom. I wanted people to see it at the beginning of the week and didn’t think one or two bumps as a rulebreaker over a week or two. I also wasn’t aware of the 10 day rule. Sorry about that, it wasn’t meant to be offensive to anyone.
I think the 10 day limit is a bit long… but for inactive threads with no new items I get it. Legit conversation or adding a new item I think should trump the 10 day limit.
I thought this was the case. If not, then I was guilty too.
For those who are having problems with the search, have you tried the google search method described in the FAQ section? It works better than the site’s built-in search.
I like the idea of archiving old Flea Market threads. Locking threads will keep them from being bumped, but it won’t help with the search clutter. An archive will get all the old stuff out of the way, but it will still be available if someone wants to look at it.
I do like the idea of archiving old threads, and maybe just everyone limiting their threads to 1 FS thread, and 1 WTB thread? And maybe limit comments on threads to only questions about the items, or letting the person know you messaged them? And maybe make it that you can bump once every 2-3 days instead of every ten?
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My problem is, what happens when the forum suddenly isnt letting you update your old thread? Its still current and has current items, but you want to add new, but cant edit the original post? I wont add items in a new ‘reply’ in that post, I would prefer to just make a new thread. Its happened to me a couple times since the forum move. I bump my threads at best twice a month because I forget to honestly.
And Im at the point where I would rather separate my OOAK/Ebay/Grab Bag items for sale from my normal production in separate threads. It would look a LOT less cluttered if I did given the sheer amount I can list.
The ‘norm’ Ive seen on other forums is allowing a bump every 5 days. I dont think bumping should be banned. Thats stupid.
For what it’s worth you guys, you can search one forum at a time. Click the advanced search option, and choose which specific forum you want to limit your search to. I mentioned a few months ago that the search function seemed to not be working, but I just searched for ‘antiquing medium’ yesterday, using the advanced search. I was able to limit my search to just the PYO forum, and what I was looking for was on the first page.
Locking threads for people, imposing a ‘no conversation allowed’ rule, or limiting people’s ability to post, just seems kind of Orwellian to me.
If you guys start clicking the “Mark All Topics as Read” button at the top more frequently, I think you might find that the Flea Market isn’t as busy as you think. I check it almost every day and don’t usually see more than 5-6 updated posts per day. Even fewer in the Trade forum.
I do agree with people taking the responsibility to monitor themselves and not excessively bump, or start new threads for things that have their own, consolidated Trade/Sell threads, like the GB items. The reason those threads were created was to eliminate so many individual GB items clogging up the front page. If you guys remember, the Flea Market posts greatly reduced after those pages of posts were consolidated. In Jennifer’s absence, I’ve seen a lot more of those threads come up and while it’s understandable that you want your piece to be more visible, there’s a reason those consolidated threads were created.
I don’t think it’s such a bad idea to make for sale threads postable by the original author only. However, this wouldn’t work for the community sales threads, like the GB threads. A 5-day bump rule would be better than a 10-day bump rule, too. 10 days is a long time. But threads should only be bumped by the seller after the last post, not when the original thread was posted. I also agree that the unintentional bumping with “good luck selling” comments is silly and unnecessary (for LOTS of reasons). We can moderate ourselves, but we need to try to abide by a set of community rules.
There’s not all that much activity in the for sale section. However, MUCH of the activity is tangential to the actual sales. I get tired of having to wade through a bunch of posts to see if someone added new stuff to their sales thread. Most of the time, there’s nothing added, just a comment. It gets to the point that I simply ignore threads that I’ve looked through before, regardless of whether they’ve updated.
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