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May 12, 2010 at 4:47 pm #814518
Oh yes, what would we do without our families. My own advice about doing stuff for family is don’t–it isn’t appreciated no matter what. They could pay someone to design a pos to put on and they would think that was great–go figure. Seen it so many times! So next time they ask, you’re so darn busy designing stuff for people who appreciate it.
May 12, 2010 at 7:50 pm #814519Most of the problem, apart from not being male, is that you are not putting a price tag on your work for family. “If it’s free, it’s probably worthless.”
So. Everything you do, that is something you’d charge others for, has a price tag. Quote the price, and then add “But you get the family discount of 50%” (or whatever percentage works). Tell your Dad and brother you expect the same from them – they bill you out for work they do for you, but give you the family discount.
You probably won’t save money doing this, but they will come to respect you and appreciate your work.
As for the other thing, try asking your dad if he’d be up for paying half towards a sex-change operation, so that you can then expect to be treated as an equal. (But keep your fingers crossed that he doesn’t simply say “Sure, what a great idea!”)
May 12, 2010 at 8:47 pm #814520The Castle [Dave wrote:“]Most of the problem, apart from not being male, is that you are not putting a price tag on your work for family. “If it’s free, it’s probably worthless.”
So. Everything you do, that is something you’d charge others for, has a price tag. Quote the price, and then add “But you get the family discount of 50%” (or whatever percentage works). Tell your Dad and brother you expect the same from them – they bill you out for work they do for you, but give you the family discount.
Great idea.
May 12, 2010 at 11:32 pm #814521The Castle [Dave wrote:“]
As for the other thing, try asking your dad if he’d be up for paying half towards a sex-change operation, so that you can then expect to be treated as an equal. (But keep your fingers crossed that he doesn’t simply say “Sure, what a great idea!”)
I made it all the way to this statement all sober faced and doing well, then BAM!!! XD XD XDMay 12, 2010 at 11:59 pm #814522The Castle [Dave wrote:“]Most of the problem, apart from not being male, is that you are not putting a price tag on your work for family. “If it’s free, it’s probably worthless.”
So. Everything you do, that is something you’d charge others for, has a price tag. Quote the price, and then add “But you get the family discount of 50%” (or whatever percentage works). Tell your Dad and brother you expect the same from them – they bill you out for work they do for you, but give you the family discount.
You probably won’t save money doing this, but they will come to respect you and appreciate your work.
As for the other thing, try asking your dad if he’d be up for paying half towards a sex-change operation, so that you can then expect to be treated as an equal. (But keep your fingers crossed that he doesn’t simply say “Sure, what a great idea!”)
That might work with my dad, to a certain extent. Right now we’re sort of scratching each other’s backs – even though he’s always done all the work on my truck (taking care of daughter, ya know), but now he’s in a situation where he needs me to be around to help with Illustrator and Photoshop and he’s realized what I actually do, to a degree. He still doesn’t get the art part, but now he gets all the work that goes into the technical program tickling.
My brother…is, well, my little brother, and even if I put a price tag on what I do (he got a pencil drawing one year of his car at that time for his birthday – something he’s heard me say in the time between then and now that I’d charge someone else $100 for, because it *hurt*) he’d just snort and tell me I should do it free, because he’s family. Or, in the case of his car, like he just did last weekend: “It’s a sponsorship!”
Erm, no? Actually, it was a favor for Dad and he just wanted me to find out what you wanted on the car, you snot.
As for the sex change thing, it might be enough to make them laugh, at least? It made *me* grin. 😉
May 13, 2010 at 3:53 am #814523I won’t go into the details with my experiences, but I can personally vouch for this claim. Be very wary of doing design work for family. Be extremely clear and up front with work agreements before starting on any project. 🙄
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