Counterfeit? update July 27 page 3

[Lokie]

I’d ask for a refund and then return shipping up front and hear their response, before resorting to any extreme measures (threats, getting paypal involved, etc.).

pegasi1978 wrote:

I thought personal payment was used to avoid paying fees by both sides? When I mentioned tacking on a few extra dollars it was so it would cover the fees the other party would have taken out when they receive the business transaction marked payment (or whatever it would be called so it would be covered under paypal’s protection clause).

I’m pretty sure there are fees associated with personal payment if you use a method of funding other than your Paypal balance or bank account (eg. debit or credit card), and you can decide who pays those fees (sender or receiver). A credit card personal transaction payment doesn’t save any money from a business transaction payment, the fee is 2.9% + .30 for both (3.9% international).

[Laurie]

If you used a credit card thru paypal (oh I hope you did) Then your credit card company will back you up for 120 days from the date of purchase. You can call and have them do a chargeback considering the item was a counterfit and fraudulent.

[Rachel]

Laurie wrote:

If you used a credit card thru paypal (oh I hope you did) Then your credit card company will back you up for 120 days from the date of purchase. You can call and have them do a chargeback considering the item was a counterfit and fraudulent.

This.
I think some people are misunderstanding who wants the sculpture. It sounds like the artist that was copied wants it, probably for legal purposes, not the fraudulent seller. Unfortunately, with the exception of possibly getting legal action started against the fraudulent seller and getting your credit card to refund, BDW might get the hose on this one.
If the website/sales site is still up, make sure to print screen it for proof. If it’s down, you might see if your computer cached it or if there’s a cache of it online. Between that and the actual artist’s communication, you will probably have to provide to the police (if you report it) and/or your credit card company.

[BDW]

pegasi1978 wrote:

Blackdesertwind wrote:

pegasi1978 wrote:

Since you did a “business” transaction as a personal payment, you may just have to suck it up and chalk this up as a learning experience. That’s the danger of doing doing business by personal payment. I’d rather tack on a few extra dollars to cover the fees so I’m protected than be in your situation where you have no way of recovering your losses.

I did pay the fees..this way she didn’t have to pay them so she had everything to gain not me. 😡

I thought personal payment was used to avoid paying fees by both sides? When I mentioned tacking on a few extra dollars it was so it would cover the fees the other party would have taken out when they receive the business transaction marked payment (or whatever it would be called so it would be covered under paypal’s protection clause).

When I did the payment paypal had a button you have to press to indicate if you pay the fees or the other party, I paid them.
BTW the mad emoticon was not directed at you….just in case you might think so. 😳

[BDW]

Laurie wrote:

If you used a credit card thru paypal (oh I hope you did) Then your credit card company will back you up for 120 days from the date of purchase. You can call and have them do a chargeback considering the item was a counterfit and fraudulent.

No I did not it came right out of the bank account. 🙁

[BDW]

ghostndragon wrote:

Laurie wrote:

If you used a credit card thru paypal (oh I hope you did) Then your credit card company will back you up for 120 days from the date of purchase. You can call and have them do a chargeback considering the item was a counterfit and fraudulent.

This.
I think some people are misunderstanding who wants the sculpture. It sounds like the artist that was copied wants it, probably for legal purposes, not the fraudulent seller. Unfortunately, with the exception of possibly getting legal action started against the fraudulent seller and getting your credit card to refund, BDW might get the hose on this one.
If the website/sales site is still up, make sure to print screen it for proof. If it’s down, you might see if your computer cached it or if there’s a cache of it online. Between that and the actual artist’s communication, you will probably have to provide to the police (if you report it) and/or your credit card company.

No she took it down right after it sold. 😡
I’m still not convine she is the one behind the counterfeit since she has great feedback. Except for the smoke smell on her resin/model, people are generaly happy about it.
Do I just tell Diane that the resin she sold me is counterfeit and demand a refund but also tell her I’ll ship the resin to Deborah?
Or do I ship the resin back to Diane and then demand a refund?
Like Deborah says if I send it back it like getting rid of the evedance.
I just want my money back…I don’t want to threaten her in anyway but since she is not now to resins she should have knowed. Makes me wonder if she didn’t…..
What would you do?
Remember I’m in Canada so it’s complicated.
Do I explain to paypal why I did the payment that way and explain what happened?

[Laurie]

shit :negative:

[BDW]

I could write to Diane and “cc” it to Deb. Tell Diane I want a refund, and that Deb suspects it may be a fraud. Blame it on the person Diane got the resin from, and tell her both of us were victimized by this other person. That way she doesn’t feel threatened. Also tell her Deb wants to inspect the resin to make sure if it’s legit or not, and see if she’s okay with it going to Deb first, on the way back to her. Perhaps that would work?
If she doesn’t demand it back then I would send it directly to Deb.

Sounds good?

[Nina]

You said it came in broken right? Did you have it insured? You could just file a claim with the shipping company if it was insured & just get your money back that way.

[BDW]

enchantments wrote:

You said it came in broken right? Did you have it insured? You could just file a claim with the shipping company if it was insured & just get your money back that way.

Yes well I did ask her to get it insured for $200 and she completely forgot! 😡

[Pamela]

Blackdesertwind wrote:

enchantments wrote:

You said it came in broken right? Did you have it insured? You could just file a claim with the shipping company if it was insured & just get your money back that way.

Yes well I did ask her to get it insured for $200 and she completely forgot! 😡

If you asked and she didn’t do it I would say it is her fault and she should reimburse you. She is the one who should be out the money since she did not insure it and evidently did not pack it well. Is there any chance she will reimburse you?

[BDW]

ddvm wrote:

Blackdesertwind wrote:

enchantments wrote:

You said it came in broken right? Did you have it insured? You could just file a claim with the shipping company if it was insured & just get your money back that way.

Yes well I did ask her to get it insured for $200 and she completely forgot! 😡

If you asked and she didn’t do it I would say it is her fault and she should reimburse you. She is the one who should be out the money since she did not insure it and evidently did not pack it well. Is there any chance she will reimburse you?

I don’t know if she will refund me yet. I sent her the following message:

Hi Diane,
I have very bad news for you.
We have both been victomized with a counterfeit Indian Fire.
The resin you sold me turns out to be a fake.
He was cast in plaster not resin.
When I opened the box and handled him I knew something was wrong but needed to make sure, so that is the reason why I contacted Deborah.
After viewing the pictures I took of the horse and seeing how much more he weighs she is positively sure it’s a counterfeit. After going public about it someone else contacted her with the same problem….so far there are two….oviously there will be more.

Therefore I request from you the amount I paid for him plus shipping and 4% paypal fees that I paid back ($227.25 USD) for this counterfeit Indian Fire, I would like the refund to be done immediately.
If you have a credit card on paypal please use it if you don’t have any money for the refund.
Deborah needs to inspect the horse.
The horse will be shipped to her.
You need to demand your money back from the seller that sold him to you.
You can forward the email I just sent you and can tell her to contact Deborah if she need this to be confirmed.
She in turn will have to do the same and go after the person that sold it.

Deborah’s contact info: ***************************
And your seller’s info: ******************************

You can view Deborah’s email following below.
She also wrote me a message to be addressed to you:

{Please let Diane know that I want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and I don’t want a witch hunt. I’m just hoping that sharing an honest account of your transactions will help lead to the counterfeiter. I hope that the seller in Italy is able to help. I am still waiting for her response to my inquiry.
Deborah}

Awaiting your reply before I move any further.

Thank you
Natalie

[BDW]

Well Diane the seller just wrote me back:
“I got the IF from Nadia **********. She just sold another one on MH$P If that one turns out Counterfeit,Depending on where she got them from??? As for your refund,I did not know it was a fake. I will not be refunding anything until the person responsible for the fake is found out. I will be contacting Nadia about this”

[BDW]

and she just added:
If you want any money you should ask Nadia ********,Where it came from.

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Nadia is not the one that sold me the horse! 😡

[BDW]

I don’t think I should be made to pay for someone else’s mistake. 🙄

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