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By the way– I regret that I don’t have time to check the new listings in the Classifieds section all the time. If you DO see someone breaking a rule, please feel free to let one of us know.
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My art: featherdust.comOne thing I never have been clear about – how does receiving payments affect your PayPal account classification?
I have heard that you must switch to a business account if you receive more than a certain amount in payments for “Goods and Services”, but I have not been able to verify that.That’s possible… I regret that it’s been so long since I’ve had to deal with this, that things may have changed. You’d probably have to search the FAQ on PayPal’s official page to find out. I don’t think so though; I do a healthy amount of business on mine, but understand that business accounts are more for businesses with more than one (self-employed) employee. From their site:
… message edited for length …Thank you VERY much for checking this and for quoting material which I was not able to locate. 😛 It sounds as though the things you can do with Personal accounts have been expanded, or maybe I misunderstood them originally.
Yeah this is a good idea. After a bunch of us lost money from chargebacks for personal payments I realized I would have had seller protection if I had received the payment as a goods payment since I sent an item out. But even though I had tracking for it, it still didn’t help me get seller protection when the buyer filed a chargeback.
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Now if only Windstone would enforce known scammers contacting people. More people have been ripped off by scammers who offer to trade and then don’t send their end than anything else.
Now if only Windstone would enforce known scammers contacting people. More people have been ripped off by scammers who offer to trade and then don’t send their end than anything else.
That’s what those wonderful feedback lists are for. I’ve been asked to participate in a transaction by someone on the negative feedback list, and I declined and suggested that they resolve the issues with their previous transactions first.
Now if only Windstone would enforce known scammers contacting people. More people have been ripped off by scammers who offer to trade and then don’t send their end than anything else.
We can’t police private transactions. If someone is scamming people through use of the forum (or Classifieds, PMs, etc) then we (or, John) may take action to remove that member. If this is happening, please write to John directly with evidence. He has the final say. If several people have problems with an individual, that also factors into the decision as it becomes a trend instead of one case where sometimes miscommunication or personality conflicts occur. I know it’s not fair to place the proof of burden on the victim of scams, but because these trades are happening in private and with no records (paypal, etc) it is very hard for anyone at Windstone to do anything unless there is solid evidence.
PLEASE, please let the buyer beware. Check the feedback list.
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My art: featherdust.comI just checked, and the feedback list (user generated, not official) was already stickied at the top of the “Community” section. I have created another sticky in the “General Windstone” section as well.
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My art: featherdust.comNow if only Windstone would enforce known scammers contacting people. More people have been ripped off by scammers who offer to trade and then don’t send their end than anything else.
We can’t police private transactions. If someone is scamming people through use of the forum (or Classifieds, PMs, etc) then we (or, John) may take action to remove that member. If this is happening, please write to John directly with evidence. He has the final say. If several people have problems with an individual, that also factors into the decision as it becomes a trend instead of one case where sometimes miscommunication or personality conflicts occur. I know it’s not fair to place the proof of burden on the victim of scams, but because these trades are happening in private and with no records (paypal, etc) it is very hard for anyone at Windstone to do anything unless there is solid evidence.
PLEASE, please let the buyer beware. Check the feedback list.
However, something I think I’ve seen and what may become a more common thing, is people on the negative feedback list using multiple forum names and accounts. Is there a way to link multiple accounts to the IP address and display that, like LupusLunae (1/12) showing my ip has 12 Windstone accounts (I don’t, this is an example)? And if it was just family using the same connection, that’s nothing, you could communicate that simply, “o yay, Lupuslunae111111 is my significant other/child/sibling whatever”, and the buyer would also see that that account ALSO has no negative feedback… Assuming they don’t have rotating IP addresses =P
Is anything like that possible on the forum side?
Now if only Windstone would enforce known scammers contacting people. More people have been ripped off by scammers who offer to trade and then don’t send their end than anything else.
We can’t police private transactions. If someone is scamming people through use of the forum (or Classifieds, PMs, etc) then we (or, John) may take action to remove that member. If this is happening, please write to John directly with evidence. He has the final say. If several people have problems with an individual, that also factors into the decision as it becomes a trend instead of one case where sometimes miscommunication or personality conflicts occur. I know it’s not fair to place the proof of burden on the victim of scams, but because these trades are happening in private and with no records (paypal, etc) it is very hard for anyone at Windstone to do anything unless there is solid evidence.
PLEASE, please let the buyer beware. Check the feedback list.
However, something I think I’ve seen and what may become a more common thing, is people on the negative feedback list using multiple forum names and accounts. Is there a way to link multiple accounts to the IP address and display that, like LupusLunae (1/12) showing my ip has 12 Windstone accounts (I don’t, this is an example)? And if it was just family using the same connection, that’s nothing, you could communicate that simply, “o yay, Lupuslunae111111 is my significant other/child/sibling whatever”, and the buyer would also see that that account ALSO has no negative feedback… Assuming they don’t have rotating IP addresses =P
Is anything like that possible on the forum side?
If someone is banned and they are known to create a new account with the same IP, then we will take action against them. Ban-evasion is not okay. If necessary, we can ban by IP. We do this for spam bots (etc). There are some ways around this, though, and is one reason we stress the ‘at your own risk’ so much.
However, I am not sure where we stand on multiple accounts by a single user. It’s very difficult for us to fairly determine the difference between several family members using one computer/one home internet line, vs. an individual that has several accounts. There are legitimate reasons for a user to have more than one account, and also shady reasons!
Because of privacy issues, I would feel uncomfortable releasing publicly what users have the same IP. This would actually be a monumental amount of work (to check all accounts for shared IPs). This actually raises a very good question that I need to ask John about.
At this time, if you do dealings with someone that you have negative or neutral feedback about, and notice that they have more than one username on the forum, I think your best course of action is to mention it on your feedback on the user-owned feedback list for now.
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My art: featherdust.comNow if only Windstone would enforce known scammers contacting people. More people have been ripped off by scammers who offer to trade and then don’t send their end than anything else.
I do wish that we could find a way to properly police what goes on with sales between members, but we really can’t. We are not directly involved in these dealings and we get second hand, and usually poorly documented, or incomplete, and for the most part, unverifiable information when something adverse allegedly transpires between members.
Yes, it does happen, members have been banned from the forum for various verifiable reasons. There are also members who’s actions have been called into question, but we cannot really verify the allegations. It seems that some of our members are constantly buying, selling and trading pieces, and then there is a complaint, or even two or three, out of what?. Maybe hundreds of transactions? How do we judge these things when we are not a party to them? This is difficult at best.
We make no profit from what is sold or traded from the Classifieds, and as the listings are just a convenience to the members, we have elected not to be responsible for a feedback system for transactions. I believe that sort of information, unverified by Windstone, is available on someone else’s site. This does not in any way mean that we do not want to be informed about the behavior of the members. So please do keep us informed and rust that we will never turn a blind eye on these problems, and when appropriate we will take whatever action we can, but also please realize that while we can easily make policy changes to the forum rules, we cannot be arbitrary in who we include and exclude, or when we do it.
I have DONE this!! I very carefully copy-pasted the email sent in a PM, but somehow didn’t manage to copy the first letter, so I sent $500 to some rando by mistake! Thankfully, I was able to cancel the payment… but I still had to resend, and PayPal kept hold of the wrong payment for several days, so I didn’t have access to my own $500 for a week. Plus, of course, the poor seller had to wait (because I replied with “I sent the money, let me know when you mail the item!” and thus the seller waited all day for the payment to show up).
Actually, I just thought of another advantage to sending invoices. That way there is NO possibility of a buyer messing up an email address and sending the money to the wrong person. I am always just a smidge paranoid about that. 😉
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Actually, I just thought of another advantage to sending invoices. That way there is NO possibility of a buyer messing up an email address and sending the money to the wrong person. I am always just a smidge paranoid about that. 😉
Good point well made. I’ll be doing this from now on – thanks everyone for all of your comments & view points. Very helpful, 🙂
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Also want to add because I feel it’s valuable knowledge: To anyone making payments-please make sure you know and trust both your seller and your buyer. Paypal does not cover split payments, so if you are paying on a $500 item, and you’ve made, let’s say a $50 deposit, and then 3 more payments of $100 each and the seller disappears, you are out $300
Also want to add because I feel it’s valuable knowledge: To anyone making payments-please make sure you know and trust both your seller and your buyer. Paypal does not cover split payments, so if you are paying on a $500 item, and you’ve made, let’s say a $50 deposit, and then 3 more payments of $100 each and the seller disappears, you are out $300
It does if it was invoice. They have an option to allow multiple payments. but only if it was invoiced.
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