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I have a friend at work, she’s about 56, and she was morally offended by Brokeback Mountain, and when told that Heath had died, shocked me by saying, “Good.” Because of his role in the film.
I got on her for that one…I pointed out that he was an actor and the film was simply a job/role. She said he shouldn’t have taken it, since homosexuals are disgusting. I was disappointed to hear her saying these things, but she is much older than I, and has a totally different upbringing and attitude towards gays.
My grandmother was really hateful towards gay people, as if they had committed a heinous sin against her personally just for existing. As she was very religious as well I pointed out that she was guilty of the sin of judging and that it wasn’t her job to have an opinion on this subject. She conceded I was right, but still thought that all gays deserved to die for their sins. *sigh* I gave up and avoided the subject after that.
Unfortunately we see a lot of hostility towards people who are same sex oriented, and I think part of that is that people fear that somehow the gay person’s orientation will rub off.
The truth is, that no one is 100% one orientation or the other. While most of us won’t act on an attraction to someone of the same sex, many hetro oriented people have felt attraction for someone of the same sex at some time or another. Whether they are willing to acknowledge it or not.
I admit that I have met several women at one time or another that attracted me quite a bit and made me wonder for a minute what kissing another woman might be like. But I never acted on it, and I know I really like men, but some people are just really attractive regardless of what gender they happen to be, and i am not going to freak over it.
As for Brokeback, I just found the story kinda flat, and the scenes with the wives just seemed (probably on purpose) like they were living a lie, not real.
The acting was good, but some of the action in the scenes was confusing. Like why did they wrestle in the tent, and then frantically start to have sex? The later, what was the fight on the hill before they separated for who knew how long all about?
Anyway, the story was just too depressing, I saw it going in a really bad direction and just couldn’t bear to see the final crash at the end.
Kyrin
ddvm wrote:I had forgotten about the Fred Phelps website. I guess I didn’t think the role was such a big deal because most of my friends are really, really liberal. And people’s sexual orientation just never mattered to any of us. And even the people I work with who aren’t liberal didn’t seem disturbed by the movie. One mentioned that she had no intention of seeing it but in the next breath said how hot Ledger was. But I live in NJ which is a great deal more liberal than a lot of states (even if our governor resigned after announcing he was gay!)So I’ve never really run across the level of prejudice and ignorance necessary to write hate mail over a movie role. But I see your point, Ski – it’s just really sad that there are people like Fred Phelps out there. 😥
I agree. Its so sad… esp at a funeral. Where is the respect? I understand standing up for what you believe in, but when you do it in such a horrible way, you dont exactly further your cause. Live and let live.
Oh, and DM, I didnt mean anything bad by my post at all. Only that if anyone should be able to relate, it would be you. 😉
Kyrin wrote:Well I finally decided to watch it, man it is like a train wreck, you can’t help but look. But what a depressing story. I didn’t finish it, I saw where it was going and just couldn’t see the rest.
I really like Heath Ledger, but this was one of his movies that I just didn’t care for, and it wasn’t the subject. The movie was kinda disjointed, a lot of time jumps, and the relationships on all counts just didn’t seem believable.
I stopped the film at the point where Jack came to visit and the two went camping. I predict that if I had kept watching Ennis would have come home to an empty house, since his wife saw him kissing Jack on the porch.
Anyway, I figured it would just go downhill from there.
I like happy movies, with happy endings and I just didn’t see this film going anywhere near that.
Anyone else see this movie?
Kyrin
I watched the whole thing and it was majorly depressing! You did the right thing…I hate sad novies! Kaya
I never saw the movie, but sometimes I wonder about some people. The minister at the church I was going to as a child once said that homosexuality was a disease that needed to be cured. And another church in the same town said that all those who support people who are homosexual are sinful and will burn in hell for their sins, with the homosexuals molesting them (that one made me get up and walk out in the middle of the service, I was never allowed in again, because they thought I was homosexual, which, I am not.)
Personally, I think that homosexuals should not be persecuted, should not be judged, should be accepted for who they are, part of the human race. I have some homosexual friends, and believe me, I like them better then some of my straight friends.
But I just like to be non-judgemental.
As for the movie, I’d heard it was more of a chick flick and I hate chick flicks…. yech 😛
My personal philosophy, as a Christian, mind you, is to attempt to not make judgments. I’m not perfect by a long shot; (I can swear like a sailor, given the opportunity, one of the many of my vices) so who am I to pass judgment on someone else?
That’s not my job and most definitely not my place! I have homosexual and bisexual friends, friends who live with their SO outside of marriage, etc, etc. I’m well aware that the Church condemns it, but who am I to point a finger and tell them they’re going to Hell?
If you wanna get technical about Christianity, that’s originally were we were *all* headed, but for the Grace of God. I do wish some of the overzealous folks would take a moment to remember that. They make me embarrassed to be lumped in with them.
Homosexuality doesn’t bother me at all. Neither does gay marriage for that matter. I don’t see why it’s such a problem personally.
Although I will say that my old neighbors were lesbians and I was always out talking with them (mostly to stop the fighting) and they did tell me never to become a lesbian because if you think straight couples’ fights are bad? Think again. Girl and girl relationships can get nuts. I just looked at her and laughed.
But they were the nicest couple I’ve ever met (except when they fought).My most wanted list: carnelian mouse wizard, copper patina frog wizard, autumn leaf poads, pumpkin spice kitties
Well, I can totally see the argument about gay marriage. Who is against homosexuality? In this case, we will say the church. Who sanctifies and pretty much invented marriage? The church. To ask the church, who is the one who invented/sanctifes marriage, to bless a union that they see as unholy, is kinda wrong, IMO.
Actually, marriage is a legal contract. Religion is not needed for marriage, and I sure didn’t get married in a church.
I understand having a cow about allowing same sex couples to marry in a church, but not about allowing them to enter into a legal contract to share assets, responsibility of children, etc. at all, is not right.
Kyrin
My sister has a theology degree and she and a lot of her friends are very educated about the history of the Catholic church. One of them, who is currently writing a book about it, has found centuries old manuscripts for gay marriage ceremonies for the Catholic church. So centuries ago it was permitted just like the Catholic church used to allow priests to marry. They stopped allowing priests to marry because 1)the wives of the priests had to much power (can’t allow women to have power, now can we?) and 2)there would be property issues between what was church property vs what property belonged to the priest’s heirs.
A great deal of what we accept today in the Catholic church occurred because of secular (if that is the right word) not religious reasons.
I try to live my life as helpfull to others as I can UNLESS you cross me and screw me over in some way then you will NEVER get help again. I do not understand why GAY” people are such a threat?? I do not care about the whole marriage thing myself. I feel the only contract you need to be true to is the contract of the heart. I do not see what a piece of paper will do??
I think people that just live by the rules of the heart are MUCH better off.If you do not get married you will not make lawyers rich in divorce cases and those that live by common law “marriage” seem to last longer IMOBut marriage gives rights – property rights, health care rights, even rights over life and death decisions and where people are buried. I totally understand why many gay and lesbian couples want to make it official. I also think that a great many politicians who dismiss gay/lesbian marriage are total hypocrites – they talk about the sanctity of marriage while cheating on their marriage partner or going through divorce after divorce. Meanwhile many, many gays and lesbians who have been denied the benefits of marriage have been in long term committed relationships.
Kyrin wrote:Actually, marriage is a legal contract. Religion is not needed for marriage, and I sure didn’t get married in a church.
I understand having a cow about allowing same sex couples to marry in a church, but not about allowing them to enter into a legal contract to share assets, responsibility of children, etc. at all, is not right.
KyrinI can see that. Anyone can sign a contract. All they have to do is draw it up. 🙂
Maybe if I ever find the right guy and start doing the research I would feel differently. I will admit since I do not have a partner I’m not as informed as I should be in the matter. BUT I agree about the politicians and religious buffs all preaching about the sanctity of marriage as they are cheating with both men and women
One of my professors at the university is a very good friend of mine, and he just happens to be gay. He said that he doesn’t believe in gay marriage, but he doesn’t like the fact that the government can legalize discrimination. By outlawing gay marriage, they are legalizing discrimination. I would have to agree with that. People should have a right to choose whether they want to marry or not; the government should not make that choice for them.
emerald212 wrote:One of my professors at the university is a very good friend of mine, and he just happens to be gay. He said that he doesn’t believe in gay marriage, but he doesn’t like the fact that the government can legalize discrimination. By outlawing gay marriage, they are legalizing discrimination. I would have to agree with that. People should have a right to choose whether they want to marry or not; the government should not make that choice for them.
EXACTLY!!
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