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Who is she trying to fool?
“This is a batch of ten signed dragons in this color we are offering on ebay. Except for the signature, these are the very same dragons that you can buy from stores for about $300, so no need to over bid on him!”Like her signature doesnt add value to him? If one goes to buy a print ones that are signed are always way more money.
😀If the bidder 1 etc is designed to cut down on bogus 2nd chance offers I’m all for it! Those things are annoying – you get your hopes up and then realize it is a scam. The first one I got I almost fell for but realized in time that it was a scam.
nessiemom wrote:According to the blurb I read earlier, I think they are trying to keep people from driving up prices too…
How would this keep people from driving up prices?
dragonessjade wrote:That is what the link said…it has to do with is the fake second chance offers. But anything is possible.
I think its both…the other reason I doubt Ebay would want to put in writing… 🙂
mimitrek wrote:nessiemom wrote:According to the blurb I read earlier, I think they are trying to keep people from driving up prices too…
How would this keep people from driving up prices?
Well if you see the high bidder is someone you don’t like, you can bid the smallest incriment until your bid matches the current bid, and it would drive up the price they have to pay. Its risky, as there’s still a chance you’ll be high bidder, but there are lots of stupid people out there who might do something like that. Or if the high bidder announces his or her bid on a forum like this, “Man, I bid $500 on the Old Warrior!” And if the auction is at $150, someone could come in and bid $489 or something close to be mean. Of course, that’s good for ebay, so I don’t know why they’d want to discourage that.
But, for example, if you bid $20, and the high bid on the auction currently is $20, it will say, “Youve been out bid!” and the current price and the high bid will be $20. One more bid and the item is yours. That’s happened to me quite a bit lately actually.That’s pretty good! I wouldn’t mind winning auctions by a dollar. 🙂
I never thought about retaliation bidding…but I guess there are people who are crazy enough to do that. And people who would do something like that might be irresponsible enough to not pay even though they’d won the auction. If that happened, then Ebay would lose out on the % of the selling price for that auction. So that would be an incentive for Ebay to stop that kind of thing from happening — better to get a % of a lower selling price than nothing at all!
nessiemom wrote:According to the blurb I read earlier, I think they are trying to keep people from driving up prices too…
They are talking about shill bidding. From eBay:
“Community Concerns
I’d like to acknowledge the concerns we’ve heard from some members who believe these changes may encourage shill bidding (the act of using friends or alias User IDs to bid on a seller’s own listing to artificially increase the bidding level.) First, let me make it very clear that shill bidding is not tolerated on eBay. Not only is this activity prohibited by our policies (read our shill bidding policy), it is also a crime in many states.”
There is more info here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/announcement/24.html or you can check eBay Announcements through your “My eBay” page.
WolfenMachine wrote:mimitrek wrote:nessiemom wrote:According to the blurb I read earlier, I think they are trying to keep people from driving up prices too…
How would this keep people from driving up prices?
Well if you see the high bidder is someone you don’t like, you can bid the smallest incriment until your bid matches the current bid, and it would drive up the price they have to pay. Its risky, as there’s still a chance you’ll be high bidder, but there are lots of stupid people out there who might do something like that. Or if the high bidder announces his or her bid on a forum like this, “Man, I bid $500 on the Old Warrior!” And if the auction is at $150, someone could come in and bid $489 or something close to be mean. Of course, that’s good for ebay, so I don’t know why they’d want to discourage that.
But, for example, if you bid $20, and the high bid on the auction currently is $20, it will say, “Youve been out bid!” and the current price and the high bid will be $20. One more bid and the item is yours. That’s happened to me quite a bit lately actually.Sometimes I bid $20.03 the be the high bidder by 3 cents in this case. It works.
How can shill bidding be a crime in most states? Isn’t that just an ‘ebay only’ thing? If ebay has their own set of police-enforced LAWS backed by local jurisdiction as well…I’m scared 😯 Also, how would they be able to prove it was shill bidding, unless the seller sold lots of items and it happened repeatedly?
And on topic….the Emperor is gorgeous! I think IF I ever see the insurance money on my rainbow one, I’m going to get a gold one 🙂
Shill bidding is fraud. Fraud is illegal. You are misinterpreting the actual demand of the item if you drive the price up yourself with other accounts… but now, who can tell?
I wish we where not to this point in our world but it does sadly happen.
The Gold Emperors are one of my favorites. I had to think about it for awile becasue I also really like the Balc and Gold one too.
If you really think abotu it the only people that a signature would mean more to are those die hard collectors out there. We are a vbery small group in the whole world so it would be nice but I’m not sure how much ot would increase the market value. It would increase the personal value to me but I’m a collectorSnapdragon wrote:Shill bidding is fraud. Fraud is illegal. You are misinterpreting the actual demand of the item if you drive the price up yourself with other accounts… but now, who can tell?
Below is what eBay says….I, as always, take this kind of info with a grain of salt. I have been on eBay a long time and I advise people to only bid what they are willing to pay. Don’t get into bidding wars, if you can help it. Unless you are bidding on a rare piece or a OOAK, let it go. Another one will surface eventually. eBay promises all kinds of things, but in the end, they do what’s best for themselves as a company.
From eBay:
“After the changes to Bid History are launched, how will eBay detect shill bidding?First, eBay is committed to prevent shill bidding from occurring on our site. It’s important to remember that, while the public will not have access to User IDs under the Safeguarding Bidder ID site changes, eBay will continue to have the same access to information that we have today.
eBay takes the issue of shill bidding (the use of a secondary bidding account to increase the level of bidding and the apparent value of an item) very seriously. Shill bidding is a violation that, when detected, leads to an immediate suspension or sanction. In addition, shill bidding is a crime in many states.
In the last several years, we’ve invested heavily in shill detection systems that enable us to proactively detect and investigate possible shill bidding scenarios with a higher rate of accuracy than ever before. Our backend systems collect more information on selling and/or bidding activity than our Community has access to, so we can detect patterns and ascertain identities much more accurately.
With the information provided as part of the Safeguarding Member ID project, we believe that members will still be able to detect and report suspicious activity. While we proactively search the site for shill bidding, we do appreciate the reports from the Community of suspicious activity and will continue to investigate them and take action where appropriate.”
Snap – you are very computer savvy – do you have an opinion on their claim to be able to detect shill bidding accurately?
Someone I work with has a brother and a son who were barred from ebay for a month for shill bidding. The brother was selling stuff and her son would put in bids to drive the price higher. Every once in awhile he’d end up buying the item but they would just relist it. I think ebay figured it out because the son had a lot of bids on his uncle’s stuff without winning.
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