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Necron99 wrote:Dragon87 wrote:Necron99 wrote:
i was flipping through the channels a few minutes ago and landed on CNN, you wouldnt believe how many people called the show in support of dumping our Democratic way of life and changing it to a Socialist Government . They were saying that the middle class needs to get stronger and how medicine and the schools need to be governmentally regulated ( shades of Carl Marx ) , dont these fools know there is no middle class in a Socialist Government just go ask a Russian how well The Soviet Union preserved the middle class . There are some scary people in this country
Well I personally like Canada’s government regulated medicine. Hello not paying the $400 that each 5 pack of my insulin is worth, EVERY MONTH, plus another $400 every couple of months, plus testing stuff, etc. If it weren’t for government regulated health care in Canada, I wouldn’t be getting a university education. I wouldn’t be able to afford it. The waits on the other hand, I could live without. 🙄
thats why other people from around the world come here for health care , some folks cant wait for it. I personally cant wait months to see a doctor if i did i would die and im not willing to die just for the cost of medicine and medication to lower or so some career homeless can get to see a doctor about some booze related sickness that he gave himself . Call me heartless thats ok but there are people in this world who dont give themselves ailments that shouldnt have to sit around and wait, for people with chronic illnesses there are programs in the US that help alot you just have to get off their lazy arses and apply; with your doc behind you you will get approved its those who try to take advantage of the system who get denyed and rightfully so.. I too spend well over 475 a month on meds , maybe i cant afford a fancy education but i made a decent living doing what i did before i got sick and so can any one in America . I started at minimum wadge and learned a skill by the end of 7 years i was pulling in over 1,000 a week after taxes so i was happy .It may be tough paying that 475 a month but id rather pay that than live in a Socialist Country , like i said just ask a Russian who lived through The Soviet Union they will tell you how strong the middle class was , i have personally had conversations with a Russian guy who was a rehab nurse …. well im not standing in line for 6 hours to get some bread and milk with my ration stamps .
It kinda depends though, and you *can* pay for private here, if you so choose. However insurance doesn’t usually cover it. And you can wait less if you’re in bed with the doctor! LOL 😆
Well the wait times aren’t always bad. I mean, if you look like you’re about to drop dead, say, when I was passing out when I was diagnosed as a type 1 diabetic, or when my fiancee (who’s deadly allergic to bees) got stung and reacted badly (didn’t have an epi pen yet), we got in in less then 5 mins both times, in front of a crowded waiting room.
However, for something like a hip replacement, or something critical, yeah, it’s pretty bad.
It’s not a perfect system, but I like it (well enough. Corrupt doctors who let someone who gets a hip replacement because she can’t ride her horse over someone who needs it because she can’t freaking WALK can shove it where the sun don’t shine). And that’s all that matters, right? You like your system, and it’s not perfect either.
I’m not really qualified to comment on it more then from experience, so I won’t.
And I do know a family from Russia when it was communist, thanks. My roommate is their son. Canada’s system is way better then that, according to them. I wasn’t saying pure socialism is better, but some ideas from it aren’t bad.
We just don’t agree with each other, ever, do we necron? 😀 Oh well, a good debate is always fun. 😆
AdaraSky wrote:Just off the subject a little, what do ya’ll think about Prop 4 (Minor Abortion) in Cali? I myself don’t agree with it but it passed. So now minors don’t have to notify their parents about them getting an abortion. So instead of parents being given the chance to talk to there kids about the situation and maybe how to avoid or protect them if the situation was to happen again, the kid can just go get an abortion and hey, if it happens again they’ll just get another! Just my 2 cents.
Like so many of the propositions, I sense that it is more agenda driven than because people actually want this. This is the third time this bill has shown up on the ballot. And it’s third defeat.
What I think this ballot is intended to be is a ‘baby step’ in the direction of outlawing abortion altogether – specially after looking at the supporters of that ballot. I think California voters saw this, and shot it down – again.
I can’t really comment on the responsibility issue. Accidents happen, true enough, however I would like to know where in hell the parents of these minors are. Good parenting is the prevention of most juvenile problems. (And yes, I am fully aware that some parents might be in prison, single, and just trying to make ends meet. But those are few and far between to actual bad parents producing bad kids.)
Dark_Zorse – now knowing that no one reads this, is off to do gymnastics naked on horseback!
dark_zorse wrote:AdaraSky wrote:Just off the subject a little, what do ya’ll think about Prop 4 (Minor Abortion) in Cali? I myself don’t agree with it but it passed. So now minors don’t have to notify their parents about them getting an abortion. So instead of parents being given the chance to talk to there kids about the situation and maybe how to avoid or protect them if the situation was to happen again, the kid can just go get an abortion and hey, if it happens again they’ll just get another! Just my 2 cents.
Like so many of the propositions, I sense that it is more agenda driven than because people actually want this. This is the third time this bill has shown up on the ballot. And it’s third defeat.
What I think this ballot is intended to be is a ‘baby step’ in the direction of outlawing abortion altogether – specially after looking at the supporters of that ballot. I think California voters saw this, and shot it down – again.
I can’t really comment on the responsibility issue. Accidents happen, true enough, however I would like to know where in hell the parents of these minors are. Good parenting is the prevention of most juvenile problems. (And yes, I am fully aware that some parents might be in prison, single, and just trying to make ends meet. But those are few and far between to actual bad parents producing bad kids.)
Dark_Zorse – now knowing that no one reads this, is off to do gymnastics naked on horseback!
I too wonder where are the parents but then again there are good parents that do a good job and kids are still gonna do what they want. We were all that age once. I just feel that if there was a case like this that the teen/kid would want to open up and be honest with their parents and they would probably be surprised with how undernding moms and dads can be. Accidents happen, we just have to work through them and be families. This prop basically makes things harder for parents.Dragon87 wrote:Necron99 wrote:Dragon87 wrote:Necron99 wrote:i was flipping through the channels a few minutes ago and landed on CNN, you wouldnt believe how many people called the show in support of dumping our Democratic way of life and changing it to a Socialist Government . They were saying that the middle class needs to get stronger and how medicine and the schools need to be governmentally regulated ( shades of Carl Marx ) , dont these fools know there is no middle class in a Socialist Government just go ask a Russian how well The Soviet Union preserved the middle class . There are some scary people in this country
Well I personally like Canada’s government regulated medicine. Hello not paying the $400 that each 5 pack of my insulin is worth, EVERY MONTH, plus another $400 every couple of months, plus testing stuff, etc. If it weren’t for government regulated health care in Canada, I wouldn’t be getting a university education. I wouldn’t be able to afford it. The waits on the other hand, I could live without. 🙄
thats why other people from around the world come here for health care , some folks cant wait for it. I personally cant wait months to see a doctor if i did i would die and im not willing to die just for the cost of medicine and medication to lower or so some career homeless can get to see a doctor about some booze related sickness that he gave himself . Call me heartless thats ok but there are people in this world who dont give themselves ailments that shouldnt have to sit around and wait, for people with chronic illnesses there are programs in the US that help alot you just have to get off their lazy arses and apply; with your doc behind you you will get approved its those who try to take advantage of the system who get denyed and rightfully so.. I too spend well over 475 a month on meds , maybe i cant afford a fancy education but i made a decent living doing what i did before i got sick and so can any one in America . I started at minimum wadge and learned a skill by the end of 7 years i was pulling in over 1,000 a week after taxes so i was happy .It may be tough paying that 475 a month but id rather pay that than live in a Socialist Country , like i said just ask a Russian who lived through The Soviet Union they will tell you how strong the middle class was , i have personally had conversations with a Russian guy who was a rehab nurse …. well im not standing in line for 6 hours to get some bread and milk with my ration stamps .
It kinda depends though, and you *can* pay for private here, if you so choose. However insurance doesn’t usually cover it. And you can wait less if you’re in bed with the doctor! LOL 😆
Well the wait times aren’t always bad. I mean, if you look like you’re about to drop dead, say, when I was passing out when I was diagnosed as a type 1 diabetic, or when my fiancee (who’s deadly allergic to bees) got stung and reacted badly (didn’t have an epi pen yet), we got in in less then 5 mins both times, in front of a crowded waiting room.
However, for something like a hip replacement, or something critical, yeah, it’s pretty bad.
It’s not a perfect system, but I like it (well enough. Corrupt doctors who let someone who gets a hip replacement because she can’t ride her horse over someone who needs it because she can’t freaking WALK can shove it where the sun don’t shine). And that’s all that matters, right? You like your system, and it’s not perfect either.
I’m not really qualified to comment on it more then from experience, so I won’t.
And I do know a family from Russia when it was communist, thanks. My roommate is their son. Canada’s system is way better then that, according to them. I wasn’t saying pure socialism is better, but some ideas from it aren’t bad.
We just don’t agree with each other, ever, do we necron? 😀 Oh well, a good debate is always fun. 😆
yeah we just seem to be polar opposites 😛
i wasn’t just talking about medicine , while yes it is broken here badly i still think there is room for something else besides social medicine , i don’t want to see all the specialties shut their doors ..i don’t think anyone dose.
What i saw on the TV were folks wanting to go completely Socialist and think the middle class would be better for it 😕 . The guy i know from Russia told me all kinds of horror stories that i personally would never want to live or have anyone else go through .
Really the folks who are crying lets go socialist here are people that really dont want to do anything for a living and are content sucking from the welfare system but cry they are oppressed
😡 .While i do think some social programs are good i just dont trust this guy to stop at a few things he truly smells of Carl Marx to me , not to mention too many Americans abuse the social programs in place.
AdaraSky wrote:dark_zorse wrote:AdaraSky wrote:Just off the subject a little, what do ya’ll think about Prop 4 (Minor Abortion) in Cali? I myself don’t agree with it but it passed. So now minors don’t have to notify their parents about them getting an abortion. So instead of parents being given the chance to talk to there kids about the situation and maybe how to avoid or protect them if the situation was to happen again, the kid can just go get an abortion and hey, if it happens again they’ll just get another! Just my 2 cents.
Like so many of the propositions, I sense that it is more agenda driven than because people actually want this. This is the third time this bill has shown up on the ballot. And it’s third defeat.
What I think this ballot is intended to be is a ‘baby step’ in the direction of outlawing abortion altogether – specially after looking at the supporters of that ballot. I think California voters saw this, and shot it down – again.
I can’t really comment on the responsibility issue. Accidents happen, true enough, however I would like to know where in hell the parents of these minors are. Good parenting is the prevention of most juvenile problems. (And yes, I am fully aware that some parents might be in prison, single, and just trying to make ends meet. But those are few and far between to actual bad parents producing bad kids.)
Dark_Zorse – now knowing that no one reads this, is off to do gymnastics naked on horseback!
I too wonder where are the parents but then again there are good parents that do a good job and kids are still gonna do what they want. We were all that age once. I just feel that if there was a case like this that the teen/kid would want to open up and be honest with their parents and they would probably be surprised with how undernding moms and dads can be. Accidents happen, we just have to work through them and be families. This prop basically makes things harder for parents.See, I disagree there. If the parent has done their job from day one, then the child will be open and responsive to their parent, or at least understand the dynamics of things well enough to prevent accidents. I know this is much, MUCH easier said then done, but being a good parent really is hard work! This does not preclude a bit of rebellion in some way or another. However, it is up to the parent to know when to push issues and spell out from early on what is and is not acceptible behavior, and the consequences that go with said behavior. This requires being a parent, not a friend – a distinction I believe is often lost, these days.
Dark-Zorse – playing dueling banjos with bagpipes!
dark_zorse wrote:Dark_Zorse – now knowing that no one reads this, is off to do gymnastics naked on horseback!
screw politics now this im interested in ..how did i miss this earlier 😆
dark_zorse wrote:AdaraSky wrote:dark_zorse wrote:AdaraSky wrote:Just off the subject a little, what do ya’ll think about Prop 4 (Minor Abortion) in Cali? I myself don’t agree with it but it passed. So now minors don’t have to notify their parents about them getting an abortion. So instead of parents being given the chance to talk to there kids about the situation and maybe how to avoid or protect them if the situation was to happen again, the kid can just go get an abortion and hey, if it happens again they’ll just get another! Just my 2 cents.
Like so many of the propositions, I sense that it is more agenda driven than because people actually want this. This is the third time this bill has shown up on the ballot. And it’s third defeat.
What I think this ballot is intended to be is a ‘baby step’ in the direction of outlawing abortion altogether – specially after looking at the supporters of that ballot. I think California voters saw this, and shot it down – again.
I can’t really comment on the responsibility issue. Accidents happen, true enough, however I would like to know where in hell the parents of these minors are. Good parenting is the prevention of most juvenile problems. (And yes, I am fully aware that some parents might be in prison, single, and just trying to make ends meet. But those are few and far between to actual bad parents producing bad kids.)
Dark_Zorse – now knowing that no one reads this, is off to do gymnastics naked on horseback!
I too wonder where are the parents but then again there are good parents that do a good job and kids are still gonna do what they want. We were all that age once. I just feel that if there was a case like this that the teen/kid would want to open up and be honest with their parents and they would probably be surprised with how undernding moms and dads can be. Accidents happen, we just have to work through them and be families. This prop basically makes things harder for parents.See, I disagree there. If the parent has done their job from day one, then the child will be open and responsive to their parent, or at least understand the dynamics of things well enough to prevent accidents. I know this is much, MUCH easier said then done, but being a good parent really is hard work! This does not preclude a bit of rebellion in some way or another. However, it is up to the parent to know when to push issues and spell out from early on what is and is not acceptible behavior, and the consequences that go with said behavior. This requires being a parent, not a friend – a distinction I believe is often lost, these days.
Dark-Zorse – playing dueling banjos with bagpipes!
I do agree that if the parent has done their job then the child should follow but that would be a perfect world. Some kids no matter what good parenting you have installed will make their own decisions good or bad. This is comming from a parent. My parents on the other hand didn’t do their jobs but that doesn’t mean I had to follow that. Then there are the demon spawn kids that it doesn’t matter what you do, they still don’t get it and those are the ones who deffinately need to be open with their parents and not given the right to abort on there own decison. There are most times when a parent tries to push issues and it pushes the kid to go the other way just to spite their parents. I think you are a minor for a reason. You can’t buy cigaretts or alcohol. You need a parents permission to get a tattoo or piercing and in some places if you are a minor you can’t get them. If you are a minor it involves your parents and thats the way I think it should be but what I think isnot what everyone else thinks. 😆 Off to yell at the kids! 😆I know this is off topic but I had a 16 year old yesterday that I picked up from her high school because the school nurse thought she was in labor. When I asked her if this was her first pregnancy the school nurse got pissed and said to me “SHE’S ONLY 16?!” Lucky for her I didn’t hear her say that my partner did. If I would have heard her I would have informed her of the 15 year old I picked up last year who was pregnant with her 3rd child (two living children already). I do believe parents need to be informed and minors should not be allowed to get abortions by themselves. I don’t think they can make that kind of decision by themselves, they are not mature enough.
purpledoggy wrote:I know this is off topic but I had a 16 year old yesterday that I picked up from her high school because the school nurse thought she was in labor. When I asked her if this was her first pregnancy the school nurse got pissed and said to me “SHE’S ONLY 16?!” Lucky for her I didn’t hear her say that my partner did. If I would have heard her I would have informed her of the 15 year old I picked up last year who was pregnant with her 3rd child (two living children already). I do believe parents need to be informed and minors should not be allowed to get abortions by themselves. I don’t think they can make that kind of decision by themselves, they are not mature enough.
Quite frankly, in my opinion, if you are not mature enough to handle a child, you probably shouldn’t be having sex, just because of accidents happening.
But it’s my understanding that I have a pretty unpopular opinion where that’s concerned. 😉
Rusti wrote:purpledoggy wrote:I know this is off topic but I had a 16 year old yesterday that I picked up from her high school because the school nurse thought she was in labor. When I asked her if this was her first pregnancy the school nurse got pissed and said to me “SHE’S ONLY 16?!” Lucky for her I didn’t hear her say that my partner did. If I would have heard her I would have informed her of the 15 year old I picked up last year who was pregnant with her 3rd child (two living children already). I do believe parents need to be informed and minors should not be allowed to get abortions by themselves. I don’t think they can make that kind of decision by themselves, they are not mature enough.
Quite frankly, in my opinion, if you are not mature enough to handle a child, you probably shouldn’t be having sex, just because of accidents happening.
But it’s my understanding that I have a pretty unpopular opinion where that’s concerned. 😉
popularity is over rated , i agree with you 10 fold . i do feel sorry for the boys who try to court my daughter 😈Heheh, Necron. I have a feeling you and my dad would get along. Nobody is good enough for his daughters unless he picks them out. I haven’t ever brought a guy home to them, but he’d leave his Colt out on the table or be really gruff and grumpy when my sister brought guys home in high school.
They all fled eventually. Mission accomplished, I guess. ;P
Rusti wrote:purpledoggy wrote:I know this is off topic but I had a 16 year old yesterday that I picked up from her high school because the school nurse thought she was in labor. When I asked her if this was her first pregnancy the school nurse got pissed and said to me “SHE’S ONLY 16?!” Lucky for her I didn’t hear her say that my partner did. If I would have heard her I would have informed her of the 15 year old I picked up last year who was pregnant with her 3rd child (two living children already). I do believe parents need to be informed and minors should not be allowed to get abortions by themselves. I don’t think they can make that kind of decision by themselves, they are not mature enough.
Quite frankly, in my opinion, if you are not mature enough to handle a child, you probably shouldn’t be having sex, just because of accidents happening.
But it’s my understanding that I have a pretty unpopular opinion where that’s concerned. 😉
I have to agree! But then again, I have come across some 20-30 yr olds that shouldn’t be do’n the deed either! 😉 Dumb as he!!Necron99 wrote:yeah we just seem to be polar opposites 😛
i wasn’t just talking about medicine , while yes it is broken here badly i still think there is room for something else besides social medicine , i don’t want to see all the specialties shut their doors ..i don’t think anyone dose.
What i saw on the TV were folks wanting to go completely Socialist and think the middle class would be better for it 😕 . The guy i know from Russia told me all kinds of horror stories that i personally would never want to live or have anyone else go through .
Really the folks who are crying lets go socialist here are people that really dont want to do anything for a living and are content sucking from the welfare system but cry they are oppressed
😡 .While i do think some social programs are good i just dont trust this guy to stop at a few things he truly smells of Carl Marx to me , not to mention too many Americans abuse the social programs in place.
I suppose. Always the leeches to ruin everything. Nor would I want to have a completely socialist government. Works well in theory, but so do alot of theories (most of which fail miserably in real life).
And I have been purposefully ignoring with all of my might the american elections so I don’t know much about obama’s character. All I know is this. The man’s presidency is already defined. No matter what he does, he will be remembered as the first black president. And that’s about it.
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