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Honestly, I am glad to see that it is NOT a republican in there again. It wasn’t like we all had some of the best choices to make when it came to getting them into office. 🙄
I agree with points from both sides. But I really am glad that Obama is a Democrat. Clinton wasn’t the best, but I wasn’t broke daily when he was in office, and there seemed to be jobs aplenty then too. And, while I believe Iraq needed a spanking, I am beginning to wonder who is the one getting spanked… 😯 I mean how many millions of dollars do we give to other countries every year? Maybe, the US should just keep it’s nose out of things doing with other countries. We have enough starving people here, people without food, jobs, homes. Keep the money in the country! 😛
To quote Dennis Miller…”That is just my opinion, I could be wrong.” 😆WindstoneCollector wrote:Honestly, I am glad to see that it is NOT a republican in there again. It wasn’t like we all had some of the best choices to make when it came to getting them into office. 🙄
I agree with points from both sides. But I really am glad that Obama is a Democrat. Clinton wasn’t the best, but I wasn’t broke daily when he was in office, and there seemed to be jobs aplenty then too. And, while I believe Iraq needed a spanking, I am beginning to wonder who is the one getting spanked… 😯 I mean how many millions of dollars do we give to other countries every year? Maybe, the US should just keep it’s nose out of things doing with other countries. We have enough starving people here, people without food, jobs, homes. Keep the money in the country! 😛
To quote Dennis Miller…”That is just my opinion, I could be wrong.” 😆I agree with you completely, WSC. 🙂
WindstoneCollector wrote:Honestly, I am glad to see that it is NOT a republican in there again. It wasn’t like we all had some of the best choices to make when it came to getting them into office. 🙄
I agree with points from both sides. But I really am glad that Obama is a Democrat. Clinton wasn’t the best, but I wasn’t broke daily when he was in office, and there seemed to be jobs aplenty then too. And, while I believe Iraq needed a spanking, I am beginning to wonder who is the one getting spanked… 😯 I mean how many millions of dollars do we give to other countries every year? Maybe, the US should just keep it’s nose out of things doing with other countries. We have enough starving people here, people without food, jobs, homes. Keep the money in the country! 😛
To quote Dennis Miller…”That is just my opinion, I could be wrong.” 😆Ironically enough, it was the very symbol of classic republicanisim that warned against us getting embroiled in foreign affairs. None other than George Washington himself – it was his parting shot as he left office, if I remember correctly. Personally, I think we shouldn’t be spending money out of this country. They don’t want us there? Fine. We pull our troops out. However, with our troops, we pull our money, our materials, our food, and our humanitarian aid. We have lots of other problems here that money could solve. In short, AMF, YOYO.
What irritates me about Clinton is that this whole Iraq thing started under his presidency. He had the opportunity (and responsibility) to clean it up before Bush junior got in there and made a royal mess of it, but he didn’t. A political move that has proven as it has played out to guarantee Obama’s win. That and that little part where he, you know, made sure banks had to loan to high-risk loans, and caused a worldwide depression…
Right now, I do not have much hope Obama is going to be much better than Bush, except in the eyes of diehard followers. If this proves to be otherwise, I shall GLADLY eat my words (I WANT a good president, darnit!). However until then… time to assume the position.
I have to agree. We need to keep our noses out of others business and take care of things here at home.
BOO I am very disapointed at the outcome but I feel the Bush administration and the GOP has done so much damage in the last 8 years that the democratic party could have run Mickey Mouse and he would have won. Unfortunately both parties made very poor choices of candidates.
I know on the front page of some section in the Houston Chronicle, it had a picture of kids in Indonesia celebrating, joyous looks on their faces, and one kid holding up a framed picture of Obama. The picture next to it was of some village in Kenya(?) where Obama’s half brother, Malik was being hoisted above everyone’s shoulders, with the caption ” ‘We are all going to the Whitehouse!’ They shouted”. Why are we focusing on how third world countries are rejoycing? Why aren’t we focusing on how AMERICA is rejoycing to AMERICA’s President. Okay, valid point. Yesterday there was a picture of 2 black ladies, an American flag in the background, huggin and cryin and saying how happy they were.
I figure, PERSONALLY, I could sell my car for maybe $16,000 and hop on a plane to Switzerland. 🙂 But, who knows. People in Texas were happy when GW won President, and look where this country is. Maybe, for all of us that are upset, maybe we’ll be proven wrong. I hope so.
AdaraSky wrote:Going back to the whole president topic, My father seems to believe that they’re just faces, a front for the people who are really running things. (Never mind the man behind the curtain!) 😆
EXACTLY
I read a letter in the opinions section of Eugene Weekly today that pointed out an interesting point– if you look at GW Bush’s presidency, it’s actually the most successful one we’ve had, at least in a long time, in that almost everything he said he was going to do, he DID. The only problem is that almost nothing he accomplished was beneficial! But the point is, he ACCOMPLISHED IT. And called it beforehand.
So if we have a president that fails a little more at getting things done, it might actually be a good thing. Who knows. We’ll just have to wait and see!
Disclaimer: I’m sorry; I’m supposed to stay neutral. I’m just excited because I got to vote for the first time.
Also, remember when I said it was historic? I changed my mind. Bill Clinton was totally the first black president! 🙂
WolfenMachine wrote:I know on the front page of some section in the Houston Chronicle, it had a picture of kids in Indonesia celebrating, joyous looks on their faces, and one kid holding up a framed picture of Obama. The picture next to it was of some village in Kenya(?) where Obama’s half brother, Malik was being hoisted above everyone’s shoulders, with the caption ” ‘We are all going to the Whitehouse!’ They shouted”. Why are we focusing on how third world countries are rejoycing?
Because Obama got rid of his American citizenship as a child, and was sworn in as an Indonesian with his adopted stepfather so he could attend school in Indonesia since they dont let undocumented foreigners go to school there because its unfair to the tax payers, why the hell don’t we do that . Hence he is a re-patriotised American and shouldnt have been able to run in the first place. And they refuse old Govenator a run at the white house , i guess any one who is sworn in as American has a shot at he office now a days .
Dragon87 wrote:Necron99 wrote:i was flipping through the channels a few minutes ago and landed on CNN, you wouldnt believe how many people called the show in support of dumping our Democratic way of life and changing it to a Socialist Government . They were saying that the middle class needs to get stronger and how medicine and the schools need to be governmentally regulated ( shades of Carl Marx ) , dont these fools know there is no middle class in a Socialist Government just go ask a Russian how well The Soviet Union preserved the middle class . There are some scary people in this country
Well I personally like Canada’s government regulated medicine. Hello not paying the $400 that each 5 pack of my insulin is worth, EVERY MONTH, plus another $400 every couple of months, plus testing stuff, etc. If it weren’t for government regulated health care in Canada, I wouldn’t be getting a university education. I wouldn’t be able to afford it. The waits on the other hand, I could live without. 🙄
thats why other people from around the world come here for health care , some folks cant wait for it. I personally cant wait months to see a doctor if i did i would die and im not willing to die just for the cost of medicine and medication to lower or so some career homeless can get to see a doctor about some booze related sickness that he gave himself . Call me heartless thats ok but there are people in this world who dont give themselves ailments that shouldnt have to sit around and wait, for people with chronic illnesses there are programs in the US that help alot you just have to get off their lazy arses and apply; with your doc behind you you will get approved its those who try to take advantage of the system who get denyed and rightfully so.. I too spend well over 475 a month on meds , maybe i cant afford a fancy education but i made a decent living doing what i did before i got sick and so can any one in America . I started at minimum wadge and learned a skill by the end of 7 years i was pulling in over 1,000 a week after taxes so i was happy .It may be tough paying that 475 a month but id rather pay that than live in a Socialist Country , like i said just ask a Russian who lived through The Soviet Union they will tell you how strong the middle class was , i have personally had conversations with a Russian guy who was a rehab nurse …. well im not standing in line for 6 hours to get some bread and milk with my ration stamps .
Necron99 wrote:Dragon87 wrote:Necron99 wrote:i was flipping through the channels a few minutes ago and landed on CNN, you wouldnt believe how many people called the show in support of dumping our Democratic way of life and changing it to a Socialist Government . They were saying that the middle class needs to get stronger and how medicine and the schools need to be governmentally regulated ( shades of Carl Marx ) , dont these fools know there is no middle class in a Socialist Government just go ask a Russian how well The Soviet Union preserved the middle class . There are some scary people in this country
Well I personally like Canada’s government regulated medicine. Hello not paying the $400 that each 5 pack of my insulin is worth, EVERY MONTH, plus another $400 every couple of months, plus testing stuff, etc. If it weren’t for government regulated health care in Canada, I wouldn’t be getting a university education. I wouldn’t be able to afford it. The waits on the other hand, I could live without. 🙄
thats why other people from around the world come here for health care , some folks cant wait for it. I personally cant wait months to see a doctor if i did i would die and im not willing to die just for the cost of medicine and medication to lower or so some career homeless can get to see a doctor about some booze related sickness that he gave himself . Call me heartless thats ok but there are people in this world who dont give themselves ailments that shouldnt have to sit around and wait, for people with chronic illnesses there are programs in the US that help alot you just have to get off their lazy arses and apply; with your doc behind you you will get approved its those who try to take advantage of the system who get denyed and rightfully so.. I too spend well over 475 a month on meds , maybe i cant afford a fancy education but i made a decent living doing what i did before i got sick and so can any one in America . I started at minimum wadge and learned a skill by the end of 7 years i was pulling in over 1,000 a week after taxes so i was happy .It may be tough paying that 475 a month but id rather pay that than live in a Socialist Country , like i said just ask a Russian who lived through The Soviet Union they will tell you how strong the middle class was , i have personally had conversations with a Russian guy who was a rehab nurse …. well im not standing in line for 6 hours to get some bread and milk with my ration stamps .
I do not think you need to worry about this country going socialist. There’s still too many people out there with libertarian ideals (Like me! Smaller government and more induvidual rights for the win!) that would ensure that it dosn’t happen.
However, I like to think about politics as being a clock. You start out at noon, but if you go too far either to the right or left… if you wind up at six ‘o clock, you are a fascist.
On the other, other hand… medical care is something that needs to be addressed here. I do think that prices are way, WAY out of line. A union approach to bring prices down is wrong – unions only become bloated with their own greed and power (Correctional Guard Union, anyone?). Self-regulation hasn’t worked, and has only resulted in prices skyrocketing. Something needs to be done, but I do not think it’s something that is going to be immediately obvious, or implementable.
dark_zorse wrote:Necron99 wrote:Dragon87 wrote:Necron99 wrote:i was flipping through the channels a few minutes ago and landed on CNN, you wouldnt believe how many people called the show in support of dumping our Democratic way of life and changing it to a Socialist Government . They were saying that the middle class needs to get stronger and how medicine and the schools need to be governmentally regulated ( shades of Carl Marx ) , dont these fools know there is no middle class in a Socialist Government just go ask a Russian how well The Soviet Union preserved the middle class . There are some scary people in this country
Well I personally like Canada’s government regulated medicine. Hello not paying the $400 that each 5 pack of my insulin is worth, EVERY MONTH, plus another $400 every couple of months, plus testing stuff, etc. If it weren’t for government regulated health care in Canada, I wouldn’t be getting a university education. I wouldn’t be able to afford it. The waits on the other hand, I could live without. 🙄
thats why other people from around the world come here for health care , some folks cant wait for it. I personally cant wait months to see a doctor if i did i would die and im not willing to die just for the cost of medicine and medication to lower or so some career homeless can get to see a doctor about some booze related sickness that he gave himself . Call me heartless thats ok but there are people in this world who dont give themselves ailments that shouldnt have to sit around and wait, for people with chronic illnesses there are programs in the US that help alot you just have to get off their lazy arses and apply; with your doc behind you you will get approved its those who try to take advantage of the system who get denyed and rightfully so.. I too spend well over 475 a month on meds , maybe i cant afford a fancy education but i made a decent living doing what i did before i got sick and so can any one in America . I started at minimum wadge and learned a skill by the end of 7 years i was pulling in over 1,000 a week after taxes so i was happy .It may be tough paying that 475 a month but id rather pay that than live in a Socialist Country , like i said just ask a Russian who lived through The Soviet Union they will tell you how strong the middle class was , i have personally had conversations with a Russian guy who was a rehab nurse …. well im not standing in line for 6 hours to get some bread and milk with my ration stamps .
I do not think you need to worry about this country going socialist. There’s still too many people out there with libertarian ideals (Like me! Smaller government and more induvidual rights for the win!) that would ensure that it dosn’t happen.
However, I like to think about politics as being a clock. You start out at noon, but if you go too far either to the right or left… if you wind up at six ‘o clock, you are a fascist.
On the other, other hand… medical care is something that needs to be addressed here. I do think that prices are way, WAY out of line. A union approach to bring prices down is wrong – unions only become bloated with their own greed and power (Correctional Guard Union, anyone?). Self-regulation hasn’t worked, and has only resulted in prices skyrocketing. Something needs to be done, but I do not think it’s something that is going to be immediately obvious, or implementable.
i completely agree we need to fix this broken medical system but i just dont think Socialization is the way. The only reason we have places like the Mayo Clinics and the St.Judes are because of Capitalism, with restraints on medicine , and very few willing to give with out some kind of profit (i know it sounds bad) we wont have the specialty clinics that people flock all over the world to come to
Quote:. And they refuse old Govenator a run at the white house , i guess any one who is sworn in as American has a shot at he office now a days .
I think it would be hilarious if he were the president. 😀 I can’t honestly say whether or not he would make good choices or be the right guy to lead the whole country…but out of sheer novelty 🙂
Just off the subject a little, what do ya’ll think about Prop 4 (Minor Abortion) in Cali? I myself don’t agree with it but it passed. So now minors don’t have to notify their parents about them getting an abortion. So instead of parents being given the chance to talk to there kids about the situation and maybe how to avoid or protect them if the situation was to happen again, the kid can just go get an abortion and hey, if it happens again they’ll just get another! Just my 2 cents.
AdaraSky wrote:Just off the subject a little, what do ya’ll think about Prop 4 (Minor Abortion) in Cali? I myself don’t agree with it but it passed. So now minors don’t have to notify their parents about them getting an abortion. So instead of parents being given the chance to talk to there kids about the situation and maybe how to avoid or protect them if the situation was to happen again, the kid can just go get an abortion and hey, if it happens again they’ll just get another! Just my 2 cents.
That makes me very sad, and it’s just another way for people to learn to avoid personal responsibility at an even younger age.
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