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    Copper83
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      If any of you have the chance to see the documentary, Blackfish, I’d highly recommend it. It’s a real eye opener on the conditions that orcas are forced to deal with in captivity. It’s being shown in select areas around the country. It’s not really suitable for young children though. Here’s a link to a video that some students made after hearing about the orcas plight and seeing the trailer for Blackfish.

      http://blog.seattlepi.com/candacewhiting/2013/09/07/children-speak-up-and-create-a-video-response-to-the-documentary-blackfish/

      I hope that no one is offended by me posting this here. It’s an issue that is very important to me. Lolita, the orca in captivity in Florida at SeaWorld, is the last survivor of the group of orcas captured here in Pen Cove, Washington, over 40 years ago. We still have hope that she may be released to come home.

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      I shared this video on my Facebook. Such a sad state in our world the things we accept and how we treat our fellow “animals”. I believe, though we are human, we are still animals that should give a greater kindness to all on this planet. Just my opinion of course.

      #902396
      Falcolf
      Participant

        Agreed. I’ll be watching this documentary if I can, I’ve always been interested in this subject and the subject of animal welfare in general.

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        #906718
        Lokie
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          For those interested, Blackfish is now on Netflix. I found it hard to watch, but glad in the end that I did.

          #906727
          LadyFirebird
          Participant

            I haven’t watched this yet–see it on Netflix but I know it’s going to be a hard watch.

            #907595
            Jennifer
            Keymaster

              As someone that has worked with animals, and is very invested in their welfare, I found that this really left me with a lot of distaste in my mouth. I couldn’t quite pin down all the reasons, so I let it slide. There was a lot of half truths and intentional misleading (such as the fact that whales haven’t been legal to capture form the wild for many years). Still, I let sleeping dogs rest.
              Then I discovered this interview and part of that nagging feeling came back.

              As always, beware of charged agendas. Sadly, even the people that seem like the ‘good guys’ don’t always have nothing but the best of intentions at heart.

              Blackfish Exposed by Former SeaWorld Trainer

              Anyhow I don’t mean to leave personal opinions laying about, and so just offer that as a small counter to think about.

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              #907596
              Copper83
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                Thanks for the link to that interview Jennifer. I would have to agree that there are probably some half truths in Blackfish, but I think there are some in that interview too. One thing that I would say is that the documentary was not meant to be about Dawn. It’s about why orcas are not good candidates for captivity.

                #907597
                fatalbeauty
                Participant

                  As someone that has worked with animals, and is very invested in their welfare, I found that this really left me with a lot of distaste in my mouth. I couldn’t quite pin down all the reasons, so I let it slide. There was a lot of half truths and intentional misleading (such as the fact that whales haven’t been legal to capture form the wild for many years). Still, I let sleeping dogs rest.
                  Then I discovered this interview and part of that nagging feeling came back.

                  As always, beware of charged agendas. Sadly, even the people that seem like the ‘good guys’ don’t always have nothing but the best of intentions at heart.

                  Blackfish Exposed by Former SeaWorld Trainer

                  Anyhow I don’t mean to leave personal opinions laying about, and so just offer that as a small counter to think about.

                  siteadvisor tells me that leads to an unchecked by McAfee site so not going to risk it, can the text be posted here or at least some of it?

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                  #907600
                  Copper83
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                    Here you go.

                    We recently sat down with former SeaWorld Trainer Bridgette M. Pirtle to talk about her involvement with the production of the film BlackFish. We were amazed by what we learned, and we think you will be too.

                    Bridgette Pirtle first visited SeaWorld when she was 3 years old, and immediately became obsessed with whales. In 2000, Bridgette was accepted into the killer whale apprentice program at SeaWorld San Antonio and began working with sea lions, otters and bottlenose dolphins, which lead to 10 years of experience with killer whales and eventually becoming a Sr. Trainer.

                    On February 24, 2010, Bridgette and the other trainers were all called in by management and informed that there had been an incident in Orlando, and that it had resulted in the death of Sr. Trainer Dawn Brancheau. Bridgette was devastated by this news. Dawn was her hero, a person whom she looked up to. In the days and weeks after this incident, Bridgette’s parents and grandparents would tearfully plead with her to stop working with whales out of fear that what happened to Dawn could happen to her. In the end, Bridgette decided to leave SeaWorld in March 2011.

                    In September 2012, Bridgette began to look for ways that she could share her love for the animals that she worked with at SeaWorld, and this is when she discovered “Voices of the Orcas,” which is run by four ex-SeaWorld Trainers, Samantha Berg, Carol Ray, Jeffery Ventre and John Jett. When Bridgette initially spoke to the trainers, they told her that there was a movie in production about Dawn and Tilikum and that they were going to tell the truth.

                    When I asked Bridgette what that “truth” was, she explained:

                    “The truth is that it wasn’t Dawn’s fault. And that was the most important thing to me.”

                    It was after this call that Bridgette was introduced to Gabriela Cowperthwaite, the director of Blackfish. Here’s Bridgett’s account of what Gabriela told her the film would be about:

                    “I thought she was making a movie that was going to be more respectable to the memory of Dawn, more understanding of the unique lives of killer whale trainers, the unique circumstances under which killer whale training is conducted now, and the loss that the current trainers felt and currently feel. I thought it would give some sort of closure; that it would give some sort of answer, create harmony, and it didn’t.”

                    We then asked Bridgette what her contributions to the film were. She responded:

                    “I contributed footage and insight into the recent context of killer whale training at SeaWorld. I was invited by the executive producer, Tim Zimmerman, to attend the film’s premiere at the 2013 Sundance Film Festival. Although I was asked by the director if I could provide an interview for the film, I declined due to time constraints and an uncertainty about the path I was going to tread in this unknown and foreign territory. I did take part in a few ‘Q&As’ and agreed to hold off on sharing my own story and experiences until later, once a distributor had been obtained.”

                    In January 2013, Bridgette traveled to Park City, Utah, where she would meet with the others involved in the film – John Jett, Jeffery Ventre, Carol Ray, John Hargrove and Samantha Berg. While they were getting ready for a question and answer session, Samantha Berg said to Bridgette, “They are going to choose you to be our spokesperson, because you are pretty and you look like Dawn.” This immediately did not set well with Bridgette, who still mourns the loss of her hero, Dawn Brancheau.

                    According to Bridgette, before the first screening of the film, Dawn’s family requested that they be allowed to view the movie in the privacy of their own home. When Director Gabriela Cowperthwaite refused their request, Dawn’s family then asked if they were going to like the movie, to which her response was, “No.”

                    Bridgette still had high hopes for the film before her first screening. She shared:

                    “It seemed to me, with the information that was given at the time, that maybe there was someone capable of telling Dawn’s story and defending her in a compassionate and respectful manner.”

                    However, after her first screening of the film at Sundance, Bridgette had a different reaction:

                    “Blackfish was a complete ‘180’ from what was originally presented to me. Now, it’s almost like my worst fears are unfolding in front of me. When I first spoke with Tim and Gabriela, I truly felt like they were as passionate about the animals’ welfare as I was. I felt they believed in the relationships and respected my experiences and insight.

                    I’d love to be able to shed a bit if light on the dark side of the exploitation and fallacies behind the film Blackfish and its ‘faces.’ My intentions are simply to speak honestly and promote a responsible way to care for these animals.

                    Samantha likes to mention SeaWorld’s desire to conceal and hide the truth in regards to aggression videos. Honestly, she didn’t see the videos because she wasn’t experienced enough. In Texas, our management team felt it was important that all of our trainers at Shamu be aware of what the animals were capable of.

                    It also has always bothered me that in the beginning of the movie, Gabriela included the audio interview with the EMT that mentioned that Tilly ‘swallowed it.’ This is an immediate example of how something was included to sensationalize and exploit what happened when we knew for a fact this was not true.

                    One of the most disappointing things included in the film was Jeff and Sam’s critiquing of Dawn’s last session. There are quite a few double standards that are entwined within and around the film that became apparent to me as I began to ask the right questions and ultimately trust in my own beliefs and my own experiences. This one sat wrong with me from the first viewing. Seeing a veteran of 16 years be criticized by individuals unaware of Tilikum’s history, people unaware of Dawn’s relationship with Tilikum, and people who hadn’t a clue of the context of the current state of killer whale training – much less the context of that session – was disgusting and disrespectful.

                    Jeff Ventre was fired for multiple safety violations in the water with killer whales. Sam wasn’t given the opportunity to gain enough experience to begin to critique Dawn’s actions. John Jett felt Tilly was ‘frustrated’ based on poor observations from a poor behaviorist. These trainers were poor with their relationships – if they believed in them at all – and they were poor behaviorally.

                    Dawn would not have made the decision to continue on with a session if Tilly was behaviorally poor, as these three imply. In the words of Jeff, it is in my ‘humble opinion’ that their disrespectful insight is from inexperienced trainers suffering from ‘trainer-itis’ who did not have the privilege or opportunity to make a connection with the animals they briefly worked with long ago.”

                    It was in the aftermath of the movie’s release, and going mainstream, that Bridgette pieced together a radical agenda behind Blackfish, and of the four trainers at “Voices of the Orcas”:

                    “Samantha says that breeding Tilikum is comparable to breeding pit bulls. According to her, SeaWorld shouldn’t use Tilly’s genes because of his history of aggression. But they like to say that Tilly’s ‘psychosis’ is a result of his captive environment. Is it nature or is it nurture? With the activists it seems to be whichever is most convenient to serving their purpose. Tilikum is a result of his environment in order to end captivity, and then he is a poor source of genes to end breeding.

                    The majority of the most current and most experienced insight was neglected from the film. With the exception of John Hargrove, there was a noticeable absence of relevant and credible killer whale experience from an individual who was aware of the situation before, during and after the incidents at Loro Parque and SeaWorld.”

                    We asked Bridgette, “What do you think Gabriela Cowperthwaite’s goal was with this film?”

                    “To win the Academy Award®. Once it was apparent that there was no real interest in revealing the whole truth, I knew it was another person’s attempt to capitalize on the tragedy of the story of Dawn and Alexis.

                    I know firsthand that any attempt of an experienced trainer looking to speak on behalf of the animals was quickly dismissed. Attempts to publish articles that presented a more fair, honest and unbiased perspective were eventually nixed at the very last minute. It was naive of me to seek to expose the truth that contradicted many of those within the film via CNN, the company which had a vested interest in the success of the film.”

                    When asked what she thought SeaWorld could do about the criticisms which were brought up in the film, Bridgette answered:

                    “In the eyes of the film, there is only one acceptable response: Free them all. This is illogical and irresponsible, and any experienced trainer will agree. Even history tells us that reintroduction has not proven successful in the past. SeaWorld looked into improving the facility with a whale ‘treadmill.’ Seeing the company invest in the animals was something I applauded immediately. This was enrichment. This was exciting and encouraging. And my accolades were heavily criticized by activists who wanted only to mock the action. It’s unfair.”

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                    Of course, I wanted to know if after all of Bridgette’s experience she would recommend anyone see Blackfish. Her response:

                    “No, not unless they have someone like me to explain what is missing.”

                    What would Bridgette do if she was in charge of SeaWorld?

                    “I would end animals for entertainment purposes, and stop the breeding program.”

                    And finally we asked, would you take your children to SeaWorld?

                    “Whales were such a large part of my life, and these relationships were so important to me, that I cannot imagine not giving that to my children. So, yes, I would take them to SeaWorld.”

                    When Gabriela Cowperthwaite found out that Bridgette would be speaking out about the film, Gabriela called Bridgette and reportedly told her to, “Please wait until after award season to criticize Blackfish.”

                    Since we spoke with Bridgette, we’ve also heard from other trainers, including Mark Simmons, who feels that Gabriele also deceived him. We hope to bring you more stories from the folks who work at SeaWorld, past and present, whether they worked on Blackfish or not. There’s no way for us to know everything that is absolutely right or wrong with the film Blackfish, but the more folks we hear from the more clear the picture will be. Blackfish may be getting a lot of media attention, but there is clearly some troubled water swirling around the film, as evidenced by the comments of people who worked on Blackfish and who now feel they have been betrayed by their Director.

                    Bridgette is now trying to distance herself from Blackfish and “Voices of the Orcas” as she begins to explore ways for her to help improve animal care which is free from a radical agenda. You can follow Bridgette on Twitter at @BridgettePirtle

                    #907601
                    fatalbeauty
                    Participant

                      *reads* I dunno about that bit, she seemed more annoyed that it wasn’t all about Dawn…

                      and this bit bothers me: “It also has always bothered me that in the beginning of the movie, Gabriela included the audio interview with the EMT that mentioned that Tilly ‘swallowed it.’ This is an immediate example of how something was included to sensationalize and exploit what happened when we knew for a fact this was not true.”

                      um, did she just believe what Seaworld has said about the whole ponytail line that was not said in the beginning anyway but later said for the public, I remember when it all happened, the news all reported pulled by arm, no ponytail then later Seaworld was all “Ponytail! Her fault!”

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                      #907602
                      Copper83
                      Participant
                        #907605
                        Lokie
                        Participant

                          I’m thankful for the link, however, I’m not seeing that interview as changing what I took away from the film. Maybe I’ll read it again when I’m less tired but here are my initial reactions. I don’t think a negative light was painted on SeaWorld trainers in Blackfish, with them being portrayed as loving individuals who cared for the animals they trained. The individual interviewed in the link, Bridgette, seemed to be more concerned with A. The movie wasn’t entirely about trainers, and in particular, Dawn and B. Several interview segments seen after Dawn’s death, where former trainers were surmising about what could have contributed to the attack. Those interviews were a pretty insignificant part of the movie for me. I think the movie did a nice job leading up to that scene making it clear that it wasn’t trainer fault, instead, that the history of Orca behavior in captivity didn’t make them safe animals to continue training. As for freeing all whales, I’m not sure if that’s everyone elses take away from the film, but it wasn’t mine. I don’t advocate releasing Orcas who have been in captivity their whole lives and who cannot successfully survive in the wild. But I also don’t think we should continue breeding them and having them perform giving their unpredictable behavior. Which is Bridgette’s own wants for SeaWorld, quoted in the article: “I would end animals for entertainment purposes, and stop the breeding program.”

                          My sister is a marine mammal trainer, and I was very sensitive going into this movie that they might criticize them, but I did not see that. It was stated that some of the trainers weren’t qualified their first day in (being chosen for looks/personality instead of credentials), but they mirror senior trainers before they ever get in the water with animals.

                          Anyways, that’s just my thoughts. I’ll stop there.

                          #907606
                          Copper83
                          Participant

                            Just a thought on releasing captive orcas. Not all orcas are good candidates for release, but all of them are good candidates for sea pens. There is already an area picked out in the Puget Sound as a possible location for a sea pen for Lolita, if she is ever released.

                            #907618
                            Kim
                            Participant

                              I haven’t seen this yet but was interested in seeing it. Reading the interview above it kind of sounds a little bit biased on the opposite side of the spectrum from what the movie is about. Obviously anyone who works with SeaWorld or Marine animals would be defensive if some corruption about these places or animal handling was exposed. The trick with watching any documentary is to keep an open mind and try to see things from all sides or keep a more of a middle view point. There are people who will side with extreme ends of the spectrum and that doesn’t mean you have to be on side or another but just be aware and alert. If you see some truth in what they are shedding light on than at least you have gained a new and different perspective.

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                              #907628
                              Jennifer
                              Keymaster

                                I haven’t seen this yet but was interested in seeing it. Reading the interview above it kind of sounds a little bit biased on the opposite side of the spectrum from what the movie is about. Obviously anyone who works with SeaWorld or Marine animals would be defensive if some corruption about these places or animal handling was exposed. The trick with watching any documentary is to keep an open mind and try to see things from all sides or keep a more of a middle view point. There are people who will side with extreme ends of the spectrum and that doesn’t mean you have to be on side or another but just be aware and alert. If you see some truth in what they are shedding light on than at least you have gained a new and different perspective.

                                This is a great takeaway message. 🙂

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