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May 28, 2010 at 2:11 pm #500896May 28, 2010 at 2:11 pm #816187
Just when I think people can’t stoop any lower, someone comes along and proves me wrong.
This is going on in a reptile community I’m a member of, and I myself am out about $1500 in all this. I’d like to make sure our Windstone lovers know about this couple, in case they pop up elsewhere to prey on giving souls like those who reside here. It is truly disturbing, what these two have done and continue to do. Mods, I hope you will let this one stay.
Quote:The Not So WISE Scam
In todayβs electronic era forums are popping up all over the place to allow people with like interests and hobbies a place to meet. In many of those forums the members become like family. When one member is going through a hard time the community comes together to do what they can in order to make life a little easier. This is what happened on Fauna Classifieds. Chuck Kimmel, a long time member and family of the community, had a heart attack. The community came together and had auctions for his wife Maggie and their three children, Angelina (8), Annie (6) and Charlie (19 months). . Previous to Chuckβs heart attack and passing another family member of the community, Rick Morro tragically lost a daughter. The Morrosβ had no insurance and the community also came together for Rick and his family to help with some of the added expenses.
These auctions were ran by Jeff and Christina Wise out of Flint, MI. Many members donated reptiles and reptile related items for other members to bid on with all proceeds supposed to be going to Chuckβs widow and their three children or to Rickβs family. The community raised thousands of dollars for their online family in their time of grief. All the proceeds of these auctions went directly into Christina Wiseβs PayPal account under the name of Christina Horn. These funds were supposed to be transferred directly to Rick Morro and Maggie Kimmel. Christina did forward two payments of $800 into Maggieβs paypal and $440 into Rickβs account.
Christina and Jeff Wise started going on a shopping spree within the community making many of the members wonder if the money was going to the proper places. Because many people were questioning them Jeff Wise posted a list of all money collected and what money went to each person. The totals that were given to the community was $5453 going to Maggie and $908 going to Rick. Many members of the community feel these figures are low due to cash donations that went unreported. Even with these figures the Wiseβs owe the Kimmel family $3853 and owe the Morro family $468.
A respected member of the community, David Gruning, took it upon himself to attempt to collect the rest of the money from the Wiseβs without making it public knowledge. Christina Wise then produced a forged check and forged bank records as proof she paid Maggie an additional $3500. When David proved that this was forged and was unable to collect the money owed he made it public in the Fauna BOI. (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru…79622)*Warning members of the community are extremely shocked and outraged by Jeff and Christina Wise.
When it went public the Wiseβs, in an attempt to justify their actions, first blamed it on a drug addiction and were going to allow David Gruning to pick up their animal collection to sell in order to come up with the funds. When David was on his way to pick up the collection Christina called him stating that she was advised by an attorney and the police not to give up any animals. Christina and Jeff Wise then started deleting everyone from Fauna from all of their social sites and closed their website(http://www.wisereptiles.com), trying to cover up their tracks. It was clear the families were not going to see their money without pursuing this further.
To add even further insult one of the $800 deposits into Maggieβs PayPal account is now being disputed by Christinaβs bank. This has frozen Maggieβs PayPal account not allowing the community to send her donations directly. Maggie is needing these funds to assure she can work this summer to provide for her family. Rick was planning on using the rest of the donations for a headstone for his daughterβs grave.
The actions of these two individuals is inexcusable and immediate justice is needed.The most recent turn is the biggest slap in the face. We’ve been pulling together the last few days again and donating directly to Maggie this time. A good bit of those funds are still in Maggie’s frozen account, and it’s unthinkable that the Wises may get their hands on that too. I’m just sick to my stomach.
May 28, 2010 at 3:03 pm #816188Very sorry to hear this happened to that community. π Thanks for the reminder there’s some real [insert words of choice] out there! πΏ
May 28, 2010 at 4:02 pm #816189Thanks for giving us the heads up! It never fails to amaze me and sadly so, that there are people out there who would take advantage of another person’s misfortunte to cash in. No conscience at all! I know how you feel about losing faith in hamanity–but just look at what people on this forum are trying to do about the oil spill–we do have a lot of good people around!
May 28, 2010 at 4:59 pm #816190People like this make me want to commit suicide. Seriously.
May 28, 2010 at 5:37 pm #816191Unbelievable. π‘
May 28, 2010 at 5:48 pm #816192Grrr…. people like this should be on the most evil list with animal abusers. π‘ People come to these forums for support and friendships and this evil couple comes to destroy it…. *sigh* I’m truly sorry for your losses. May these people get cursed with the worst karma ever!! *needs dragon breathing fire =>
May 29, 2010 at 12:12 am #816193I can’t believe how terrible some people can be. This is inexcusable. You can’t just prey on people’s grief, and then other people’s generosity and kindheartedness like that. π‘
Having said that, you can’t let the actions of two people sour you on the whole of humanity. There’s always going to be a bad apple or two out there, but I think that the people that are good, kind, and generous (like many of the people on this community!) far outweigh those who are horrible. We just don’t hear about them as often, sadly. Don’t make good news, and such and so forth.
And I’m very sorry that you lost $1500 in this. π
May 29, 2010 at 1:23 pm #816194That is beyond evil. Hopefully, they will get exactly what’s coming to them! πΏ
May 29, 2010 at 9:51 pm #816195How did they think that they wouldn’t get caught?? π
May 30, 2010 at 6:46 am #816196That is so inexcusable and aweful! I HATE it how people are so selfish and greedy, and then they lie about it. Oh boy, i am MAD!!
May 31, 2010 at 2:40 am #816197π‘ π‘ π‘ Ditto to what everyone else has said π‘ π‘ π‘ There most certainly is a “special place in hell reserved for those who would prey upon widows and orphans and others who are in desperate need” My blood boils and I cannot find words that are descriptive enough to express what I’m feeling… (and I’m not usually rendered speechless…)
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