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  • #759943
    BDW
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      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo 😡
      This will affect us all in the long run!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPfL212CB8
      http://www.nohr669.com/
      I agree that there is alot of irresponsible owners out there but this is way overboard to me.

      #497978
      BDW
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        #759944

        What the heck?….

        While hiding somewhere in my head I'm on the lookout for white oriental dragons! Please let me know if you know of any available. Thank you!

        #759945

        Great. What’s next – are they gonna ban people from owning cats and dogs next too? 😡 This is going overboard – I agree with BDW.

        #759946
        BDW
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          Dragon87 wrote:

          Great. What’s next – are they gonna ban people from owning cats and dogs next too? 😡 This is going overboard – I agree with BDW.

          That is what I was thinking too…after all we do know that stray cats and dogs are big problem. 🙁

          #759947

          That is absolutely ridiculous 😡 Surely to God there is no way something like that would get passed. You’d think that just the sheer impact on the economy, and the backlash on the legal system if hundreds of thousands of formerly responsible pet owners suddenly became common criminals, would be enough to dissuade them from a crazy bill like that :shrug:

          #759948
          siberakh1
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            Actually, that site and the youtube video are a bit misleading.

            http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-669 is the full text of the bill (it isn’t long as bills go, so go ahead and read the entire thing). They aren’t banning all non-native species, no questions asked. Animals that pose no harm to the environment/economy/public, etc. will be on an exemption list (like guinea pigs, hamsters, common birds, etc.). The idea is things that might pose an issue, like some exotic fish (not like what you would NORMALLY find in a fish tank, like a northern skunkhead) that some people try to bring in as food or to bring in for offerings (by releasing them into the wild) would cause.

            Not necessarily as frightening/big brother as the videos would make you believe, but the question does come up as to what would end up on the lists, though I doubt that many of the pets you commonly find in pet stores, including birds, fish and reptiles, would end up there. Some might require permits though, like some states require for certain pets already (like some snakes, ferrets, etc.).

            #759949
            siberakh1
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              siberakh1 wrote:

              Actually, that site and the youtube video are a bit misleading.

              http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-669 is the full text of the bill (it isn’t long as bills go, so go ahead and read the entire thing). They aren’t banning all non-native species, no questions asked. Animals that pose no harm to the environment/economy/public, etc. will be on an exemption list (like guinea pigs, hamsters, common birds, etc.). The idea is things that might pose an issue, like some exotic fish (not like what you would NORMALLY find in a fish tank, like a northern skunkhead) that some people try to bring in as food or to bring in for offerings (by releasing them into the wild) would cause.

              Not necessarily as frightening/big brother as the videos would make you believe, but the question does come up as to what would end up on the lists, though I doubt that many of the pets you commonly find in pet stores, including birds, fish and reptiles, would end up there. Some might require permits though, like some states require for certain pets already (like some snakes, ferrets, etc.). The language of the bill can still change too (it is still early in it’s life). Amendments or changes can be made.

              Btw, the member of the House who is the sponsor of the bill is from Guam.

              #759950
              Lokie
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                Thanks, Siberakh1, I was just about to post the link to the bill. You saved me from looking for it =)

                I sought out the bill after seeing the video (which I felt was a little heavy on trying to instill fear [OK, a lot heavy]), and after reading it I’m not so sure this bill is such a bad thing. I find it a complicated issue which I can see cons and pros for (especially when considering the impact of invasive species). However, without even knowing which animals are “making the list”, so to speak, if the bill passes, I’m not too worried about the government trying to euthanize my angel fish. 🙂

                #759951
                Skigod377
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                  Im more worried about the current breed banning thats going on everywhere. My housing just said that Rottweilers are no longer allowed on post. Poor Rab and Moocah. When does it end.

                  #759952
                  Andrea
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                    I see what they are trying to accomplish. Hopefully there will be some editing before it’s passed.
                    I also think a bill that requires breeders to be registered and charges a fee that goes back into some sort of rescue fund would be a good step. A license fee per animal produced or something of that nature. Instead of charging owners, I think the breeders should be required to licence the animals.

                    #759953
                    siberakh1
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                      skigod377 wrote:

                      Im more worried about the current breed banning thats going on everywhere. My housing just said that Rottweilers are no longer allowed on post. Poor Rab and Moocah. When does it end.

                      AGREED!

                      I also thing that if a list of what animals (even if not absolutely complete, but fairly so) were to come out, that would help to quell fears, since no list does make for a lot of uncertainty.

                      #759954
                      Pegasi1978
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                        skigod377 wrote:

                        Im more worried about the current breed banning thats going on everywhere. My housing just said that Rottweilers are no longer allowed on post. Poor Rab and Moocah. When does it end.

                        Are you currently on post? If so, they should be grandfathered in (to not be booted off post) and if not I would raise hell about it. I could understand someone wanting to bring a new animal in, but if they are already have the animal in base housing they shouldn’t be able to say oh the animal has to go now.

                        #759955
                        Skigod377
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                          pegasi1978 wrote:

                          skigod377 wrote:

                          Im more worried about the current breed banning thats going on everywhere. My housing just said that Rottweilers are no longer allowed on post. Poor Rab and Moocah. When does it end.

                          Are you currently on post? If so, they should be grandfathered in (to not be booted off post) and if not I would raise hell about it. I could understand someone wanting to bring a new animal in, but if they are already have the animal in base housing they shouldn’t be able to say oh the animal has to go now.

                          Sorry for the hijack!!

                          Yes, they are grandfathered in, but as soon as I move, even if I move to another place on post, (which will be soon since im expecting a new kid) the grandfather thing ends. Its so stupid. I dont care, though. I’d like to see them try to take Moocah from me. 👿

                          #759956
                          Thunderwing
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                            Ouch! This sort of thing happening here in Canada is of big concern, because I own several different exotic pets. And once we move into the country, I hope to own even more exotic ones (A river otter is top of the list, followed by a serval). I’m all for people having to get a permit or license, and I’d have no qualms about doing that. I don’t mind having to prove that I know what I’m doing. 😛 But outight bans are bad. All that does is force people who are truly determined to go underground and keep their animals illegally. I fully understand the whole exotic/invasive pet problem, but honestly… most of them won’t survive their first winter. *laugh* Hell, all of mine wouldn’t last a day! They are way too accustomed to eating from a dish. 😛

                            For those curious, I own several types of non venemous snakes, lemmings, possum, hedgehogs, african rats. After this weekend… I will add at least three more species.

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